Very interesting Neverdie (crypto) interview including plans with SotA

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    Thanks for putting that up @Corv . I listened to the entire interview as you suggested, and it is absolutely fascinating. As an older guy, rather as a non millennial, (but almost exactly the same age as Richard Garriott :) ) I am split on this entire concept, here's why -

    - I have a very positive (almost excited) reaction to the idea of a universal virtual exchange of digital gaming assets of value. The speaker's example of transacting a sword is compelling. The thought that we can have a macro-gaming global community transacting and communicating is exciting.
    - On the other hand I have an innate (maybe unfounded) suspicion of crypto currency. The speakers excitement in illustrating the benefits, such as the thrill of bypassing the banking system, and (at the end) his politically charged comments that in the virtual crypto world we can all be equal and not be judged, left me a little .. hmmm, what's this all actually about?


    Final initial thoughts: sadly I'm finding gaming communities increasingly toxic. There are some people who gravitate to gaming online communities to exorcise their demons that have real personal issues. In addition, gold traders, touts and other nefarious types are quick to adapt to opportunistic situations in the digital realm where entertainment (in this case gaming) becomes a lucrative business opportunity, or indeed an opportunity for scamming and theft.
    I have no doubt that this development is exciting for digital entertainment entrepreneurs, and 'agents for change', such as Richard G (in his case change for the better is my true belief), but I fear that the idealist, politically motivated decentralist and e-criminal, may all be equally excited but for very different reasons.
     
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    What?! How dare you, you %%$%ยง%!!111 You %$%&$!!!
    J/K ^^
    I just couldn't let this one go.

    But to topic:
    Crypto Currency is dead.
    Imo this idea is doomed to fail.
    Non the less it is an interessting idea and i would be happy if they could proof me wrong.
     
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    I agree with this. Also: If gaming is all about (crypto)money it will stop being recreational and become another source of stress.
     
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    i support the idea but doubt its feasibility currently especially with neverdie at the helm.

    I hate to tell you this but gaming is already all about money. just look at EA as the main example with gaming as a service.

    the major value I see in neverdies idea is that the player will retain value through out the various games that they choose to play rather than it being lost once they move on from one game or another.

    but I don't really trust crypto or neverdie to achieve this. /shrug idk
     
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    The best thing about this is we as SOTA players have a choice what we sell our stuff for.
    I Haven't kept up on Crypto Currency as much as I have in the past. Everyone is going to be skeptical of it because it is so volatile, Unpredictable and you literally can have no clue who you're dealing with so you have to very careful in protecting your own assets.
    I only have a small amount of Crypto Currency and I am far Far away from ever being a big investor or an expert on the subject.
    But cryptocurrency is very intriguing and IMO only not even close to being dead.
    I played Entropia Universe and met Jon Neverdie a couple times in-game and he referred me to a couple links of his and the idea of making money in virtual worlds.
    Was put into my head and never has left.
    There are several ways to make real money in Games and I participate in 3 atm. Second Life (Released June 23 , 2003 ), Entropia Universe (Released January 30 2003) Both 15 Years old and still going.
    Now if you have ever played either of these games they are very different in what you can do and How much you can make and what you choose to do.
    Second Life is completely Unlimited on what you can do and to make the really good money you would want to follow the path of making Items which is very fun and complex you will start to learn everything involved in making a game from animations, scripting , Pathing, Meshes to make Items, Textures to use and how to create them plus several other things if you choose to do so.
    Also, there is a ton of other things to do like roleplay. For Example, I worked on a Sim which is a big land area you own or rent and the theme of the Sim was a vacation resort it had a paintball area, a beach a couple restaurants.
    A huge Hotel with water aerobics, a Helicopter ride around the sim that I could have myself and 4 others in the helicopter to fly around (That was my favorite thing to do there). And basically, I was just a tour guide for people who wanted to come and hang out there for a night roleplaying like they were on vacation.
    Roleplay to me though is more in the lines of SOTA and what Elgarion is doing with his POT.
    But everyone is different and enjoys different things.
    Now on Entropia Universe There is no getting around the fact that that game is one big Casino and some will say I'm Wrong and Most will agree just like every game in the real world some agree some don't you just have to research and choose wisely what you do.
    My biggest advice is to invest as little Real Life Money and don't get Distracted by Shinies and RESEARCH< RESEARCH< RESEARCH before making a big investment.


    Here's a little vid for ya jon also not to bad as an entertainer

     
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    Oh in some cases it's bad yeah, especially the mobile market, but it's not THAT bad yet. I can still get a great weapon in WOW, Skyrim, Zelda, ... without having to pay actual money. I can still defeat enemies and move on to the next level based on strategy and not with my wallet in "Into the breach" etc.

    Even Blizzard realized that it destroys the fundamental idea behind Diablo and removed RMT again.

    But the outlook is bad, I am not in support of such pure RMT game models.
     
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    I know that's what companies like EA, Activision, Ubisoft et al want you to believe (because that is the model they want to pursue) but there are still plenty of games out there you can just buy, and have a game to play with no other monetary BS. And there are plenty more coming out.

    Some companies are even scaling back or removing microtransactions from their games entirely as well (ie: Shadow of War, where you can see the impact on gameplay microtransactions had on the game in the patch notes because they've had to "fix" it)
     
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    Interesting piece, thanks for the link.

    The only issue I have - and I concede, it's a pretty big one - with cryptocurrencies and real currencies getting integrated within a game is that it's far too easy for them to take over as people's reasons for 'playing'. Once that happens, things can get nasty very quickly indeed. Money does strange things to people, I play games because they are fun ways to pass the time, but when people are drawn into them as a way to make more 'real' money, it rarely ends well for the community of layers, or the company running the game.

    I can't see RMT issues directly affecting the way I play, or what I do, since I seem to lack the 'competitiveness' gene and am perfectly content just wandering about exploring games and games systems, socialising sometimes with folks, and just having an easygoing 'virtual life' to visit when I feel inclined. I can easily see how (and on a couple of occasions have experienced) the drive for many folks to just make more money can poison the atmosphere and culture of a game - but all I can do in the case of SotA is hope that does not happen.
     
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    your porpoisely conflating p2w micotransactions and content blocking with player to player trading. not to mention separating between single and multiplayer environments.

    yes blizzard removed it for destroying the central pillar of diablo which is grind for loot.

    I don't know what you mean by "pure rmt" as opposed to?


    they "want me to believe" that gaming as a service and microtransactions add value to my gaming experience which it does not.

    yes thankfully there have been blows struck against these companies and they have had to step back their money grabs but they are just minor setbacks not victory.
     
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    The crypto pyramid scheme and scam cost me a large amount of real world money that could have gone into this game last year, so no thanks !
     
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    It's not worth meddling with crypto long term. Maybe if you're going to cash out quickly it's okay, but long term it's going to end up getting legislated against and it'll hit anyone holding their rl wealth in it.
     
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    the greedy infect everything. nothing is sacred anymore.
     
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    Crypto currency is crime.

    Think of the energy it needs.
    Bs like this need to stop.
    But there is a lot of other legal crime the hippocrites do.
     
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    Interesting interview . The potential is definetly there. Risky ? Sure if you play with money you shouldnt . Crypto made some folks extremely rich and at the same time crashed the savings of alot of folks who should not have bought into the hype.... so i guess theres alyways gonna be people for and people against. (prolly more against )... My advice be cautious and play smart if this gets in... i see no reason why not to have crypto in sota (coto are pretty much same thing) ..its the future for games ...has to come sooner or later.
     
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    Crypto currency was a great idea but nobody uses it for it's intended purpose, so it's a fail.
     
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    Yesterday I already discussed it a tiny bit on the discord it's indeed very interesting that Shroud of the avatar out of all MMOs is playing with a crypto partnership. While it's not the first official game playing with cryptos. Minecraft already has some private servers that have crypto interactions build in.

    I have discovered crypto in 2011 thanks to a school research as I needed to search for total new technologies. Financially I kept my investment tiny so today that's worth a nice amount but for people following the hype when the tv shows you to buy financially, it never ends good. While I am not here to give financial advice we are talking about a game called Shroud of the avatar. I am surprised that I discovered a history breaking change so early and I feel cryptocurrencies are the future the total outcome is not known yet just like the internet was just new. Exciting times are ahead.

    My personal opinion is that this game should use the Enjin coin as it focuses towards gamers and made a special type of smart contract for games. As new laws are in the making to make a lot of tokens look like securities. While Enjin is focused on a utility token concept and can prove that. But since they have a partnership with Neverdie they will use Neverdie coin. Yes Neverdie coin is also focused as a utility token. I know him a bit from Entropia he took the risk to invest big into an unknown investment back then and that packed out well after a few years and after that made more good investments. Just like how cryptos are now. When a coin gets its utility usage it will get an economy worth calculated towards those coins and a virtual economy is created. I expect bigger companies also to start playing with cryptos sooner or later. It's far from dead more like just starting.

    So overall I am surprised and interested by the fact that shroud of the avatar might get future cryptocurrency support really setting the future trend that is nice now fix the promotion a bit and we will be playing episode 2 in the future with maybe crypto support. :)
     
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