poll pvp full loot new server

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would you like new pvp full loot subscription based server with no cash shop?

  1. yes

  2. no

  3. maybe

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  1. Boris Mondragon

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    Brother; why don’t you try a new poll asking for factions and contested (PVP) zones with double resources, from mobs and mats. This could entice new players and give us an endgame. This is what will bring in new players and a purpose to all the skill raising and grind. R/Boris/El Pirata.
     
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    Why wouldn't there be anyone there? All I keep seeing over and over again is that PvP is the magical cure all for everything and we need to make everyone do it and we need to make it "fair" so that people who put in years developing their character have no advantage in stats, and that if griefers could roam the world doing what they wanted to anyone at any time this would create a wonderful world full of "danger" and "risk" that would make the game as a whole significantly better.

    If this is true, then I would expect a full loot pvp server to be bursting at the seams with popularity. I don't really understand the "no item shop" ask, setting that aside for the time being if such a magical world of PvP truly is the answer and will bring people into the game as people think it will, then by all means, lets make one, allow free 1-way transfers of PvPers with all their stuff, we shall have tearfilled goodbyes for at least a day or so and then we can all go about our business and let the PvP server help fund the game by giving players who want that ruleset a place where they can have it.

    All sarcasm and whimsy aside, the "Always PvP Everywhere Full Loot No Restrictions" vs. "PvE player" mindset is an irreconcilable one - the only workable compromise is separation. If a second server with that ruleset means that we stop seeing all the pressure to inject more pvp into the base game, or pressure to "add pve benefit" for pvp flagging, then I'm 100% in favor.
     
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    Full loot open world PVP, and to a lesser extent current SOTA PVP is similar to unrestricted capitalism. The top 1% would work harder, work smarter, exploit resources, and rule the 99%.

    It’s great for the 1%,the rest not so much.

    Ironically the 1% in a virtual world are undoubtedly the 99% in real life. How else would they have the time to be a top PVPer?

    I think of Animal Farm where the pigs take over the farm. Virtual capitalist moving into the farmhouse after deposing the farmer.
     
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    Looking at this from a logical point of view on what the PVPers already have:
    Flag anytime without restriction in any zone
    Bonus xp when flagged
    7 Ruins that are zones that auto flags you for pvp
    4 Shardfalls that auto flag you for pvp
    1 full huge dungeon that auto flags you for pvp
    1 full open pvp housing zone
    Scheduled events via the obsidian trials where you can gain unique loot only available in those zones.
    Basements can be flagged for pvp only
    Player owned towns that can be set for pvp only.
    Ability to loot random items your conquered foe.
    All the PvE content which is open to everyone

    And what do we see time and again on these forums?
    No one is in pvp zones.
    No one is flagged
    Obsidian trials are empty

    Occam's razor suggests no one wants to pvp.

    This is certainly a case of flogging a dead horse. The horse has been dead for months and is now just a rotting husk and people are still trying to beat it with their ineffectual pvp artifacts (that no one has because they don't pvp)
     
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    I voted no.

    Not because i hate PvP or such.

    I voted no mainly because we really can't and shouldn't split the current community.
     
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    Selfishly, I voted no because I absolutely hate PvP and folks who want to do so can already flag and have at it all they want.

    The more important and fundamental reason I voted no, is this:

     
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    A PVPer will make the excuse PVP isn’t successful in SOTA because we never implemented real PVP. Just like socialists and communists who will say their systems only failed because real socialism/communism wasn’t implemented.

    No they fail because they DO NOT WORK in the real or virtual worlds.
     
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    What's missing from this list is the magic sauce: Sheep to kill... over and over and over again...
     
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    PIGS always need someone to control and slaughter.
     
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    I voted no, I love it how it is now. You have the option to go PvP flagged if you want. Even get some exp bonus if you do, but with the dangers of being PK'ed.
     
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    Yes please, but only to the full-loot, full-pvp separate server part.

    That way when it fails spectacularly (and it will 100% guarantee fail), all these people saying this kind of pvp is the cure-all for everything can finally shut up once and for all.

    But they won't, obviously, because whatever is done isn't the "true Scotsman" way of PvP.
     
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    Why create a new server for less than 10% of the population who PVP's? Sounds like a waste of funds to me.
     
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    This idea is never going to die, because of that tiny minority.

    All the Full Loot games that have attempted to open in the last ... 15 years either shutdown or completely changed things to have a separate full loot server and a regular no loot server, the latter of which always has more people on it.

    If there was a Full Loot, open world ALL PvP server, all the time, everyone would be walking around, looking essentially the same. Nobody would bother trying to walk around in cool looking gear or kit, unless they were the top of the top dogs with so much time on their hands that they can build their character it something that can stand in one place, doing nothing, with two decently specc'd opponents just barely damaging them.

    It's a ridiculous proposition.
     
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    Probably FAR less than 10% of the population....
     
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    The messed up thing is that EVERY failed game like that can be pointed out and they will mentally gymnastics their way around claiming it just wasn't OpenPvP ENOUGH! or some other outlandishly silly claim.
     
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    I would participate in PvP for things like that and... I hate PvP.

    But... I would craft out a series of "throw away" weapons and equipment that I would use for PvP in order to "lose" nothing of serious import while taking part in those PvP activities.

    Don't need to pay ransom, if you don't have anything worth being ransomed on you.
     
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    Like they say in Dutch: You can not pull feathers from a bold chicken. :)
     
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    Imo splitting the player base to an either or system will not benefit this game. Now adding more interesting reasons to pvp would help most like making the trials a call to players to fight against factions. Many games have pvp events to call to arms but pvp is not necessarily all that a player will do. Perhaps some do but then maybe this is not the game for them.

    I would vote for a reason to pvp and not just loot reasons any day over just full loot and a pvp server being the reason. We already can do pvp all we want but still that is not the incentive that calls out to many players to do it yet. I feel the trials was a missed opportunity but who knows we are still young and the devs are by no means done with this game.

    I vote for a Wintergrasp experience for the trials. A call out to arms when the timer is reset several times a day and the announcement the trials are starting happens. As a usually not pvp player I did go into Wintergrasp in WoW for an hour or two everyday and had a great time doing the quests and attempting to secure the area hordes against alliance. We have Upper Tears but we have no Winter Grasp ;)
     
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    Yes, but can you put lipstick on said pigs? ;)
     
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    Yes do it, and I would never go there, so you can drop pvp on this server. Trammel anyone?
     
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