'Caught Nothing' this needs to go back into the chat log.

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  1. Weins201

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    This was removed in R61 it needs to go back in as there is now no way to keep track of casts vs catches.

    There are to many issues with fishing and now no way to count and do any math to verify what I going on.

    I have been fishing regulary and the numbers are just off and I have no feasuible way to chek the numbers.
     
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    Honestly I don’t personally miss it.....
     
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    TY but can you honestly tell me what percentage you are catching fish now?

    I really need to know
     
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    The can make a series of cat-calls...

    You caught nothing, loser.
    You absolutely suck at fishing.
    The bait farts in your general direction.
    The RNG god is not impressed.



    For percentages: use poles that are destructible. Use them to destruction without repairing them. Add up all of the durability values of the poles used. That is the number of casts. You can work percentages off of that by checking your inventory for fish, prehistoric beasties, ash and soggy clothing. I did that for my lava fishing post . Well, I didn't count the ash.
     
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    Honest question here, but if you want to track that, why not just track it yourself? I mean you technically need to pay attention to recast your line, so why not track it down like that while you are running your tests? Meanwhile the rest of the time, our chat wont be flooded by that?
     
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    TY but it was possible before to just check your logs and count lines for fishing since every cast had some data marker. Now it is impossible except for round about methods.

    It is more critical since changes had to be made and as a result players can not use data to check anything.
     
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    You can turn of "others" data in chat. I just gave what used to be able to be done which cannot now. Players are using the data logs making all kinds of trackers. All I want is the ability to track fishing and actually test data.

    You can do a UT run and tell how match each person did what type of damage to what, but I can not see that I cast 57 times and only caught 8 items. Well I can see I caught 8 items but no way to check the 57 casts.
     
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    Ahh gotcha, this actually makes a lot of sense! Agreed then, could be fun (maybe as a toggle-able option, Like runescape, where you could have 2 chat options, Normal, with all the spam, and "Filtered" with the spam removed, keeping the important ones, like rare drops or the such.)
     
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    needed for more than fun since I am saying fishing is broken ATM but I can not produce any numbers, I can only ask (and have repeatedly) form them to look and explain.
     
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    It should say, "Those @#$@#! sunfish stripped the bait off you hook again"
     
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    to much real life there LMAO, I have them I my lake and when I feed gees I call them Piranha they school and attack bread just like Piranha
     
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    That’s actually a valid point. However any pole with durability could be your counter?
     
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    I fished for the first time in ages and immediately missed the log feedback about missed attempts. I thought my log was broken. Sitting at my computer with pencil and paper and manually recording my casts is not an option for me.
     
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    Was it removed "inadvertently" - or - was it removed "intentionally" to make it much more difficult to see how unrewarding fishing (especially lava fishing) actually is ?
     
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    You're in the wrong thread for that response, @Lord Trady of Blix .
    This thread is about the removal of "You caught nothing" from the chatlog
     
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    I was on purpose. Somthign about cleaning up the Logs while parties fished
     
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    I don't like the you caught nothing message.
     
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    I see a lot of I do not miss it, how many of you actually fish/

    Here is the issue I went out today to ath my Pacu for my Tourney and I used the hat Log to parse out some data.

    In Serenity Isle I caught My Pacu in about an hour. I fished roughly the whole time and the only things I an tell you is
    I caught 27 things
    5 Junk - 19% of my Catch
    17 Common - 63% o my Catch
    1 Uncommon - 4% of my catch
    0 Rare -
    1 Ultra Rare - 4% of my catch

    12/22/2018 10:18:09 AM] Entering Serenity Isle from Novia
    [12/22/2018 10:18:27 AM] Location of Boat Exit to Overworld marked on compass and map.
    [12/22/2018 10:18:27 AM] Location of Town Crier marked on compass and map.
    [12/22/2018 10:20:40 AM] You gained an item (Oscar Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:21:16 AM] You gained an item (Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:22:11 AM] CatherineRose is now offline.
    [12/22/2018 10:22:30 AM] Jacob Storm has invited you to his PVP party.
    [12/22/2018 10:22:41 AM] Cohentor Eternitus is now online.
    [12/22/2018 10:22:56 AM] You gained an item (Cod x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:23:19 AM] You gained an item (Leather Gloves x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:23:48 AM] Jacob Storm (To Grumpie Weinie): I guess you're not interested in the party fishing bonus?
    [12/22/2018 10:23:58 AM] You gained an item (Catfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:26:51 AM] You gained an item (Cod x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:28:46 AM] You gained an item (Spotted Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:29:48 AM] You gained an item (Minnow x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:32:40 AM] You gained an item (Cloth Boots x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:34:44 AM] You gained an item (Leather Boots x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:35:17 AM] You gained an item (Catfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:40:04 AM] You gained an item (Minnow x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:42:46 AM] Rogue is now online.
    [12/22/2018 10:44:14 AM] You gained an item (Salmon x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:44:52 AM] You gained an item (Catfish x1) from fishing.
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    [12/22/2018 10:47:47 AM] You gained an item (Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:49:16 AM] You gained an item (Salmon x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:51:16 AM] You gained an item (Cloth Helm x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:53:25 AM] Titania Xylia is now offline.
    [12/22/2018 10:54:08 AM] You gained an item (Cloth Gloves x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:55:25 AM] You gained an item (Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:57:35 AM] You gained an item (Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:58:42 AM] You gained an item (Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 10:59:13 AM] You gained an item (Catfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:01:59 AM] You gained an item (Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:02:28 AM] You gained an item (Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:03:50 AM] You gained an item (Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:05:32 AM] You gained an item (Pacu x1) from fishing.



    Moving on to Shangri La I caught a Large Oacu in 1h 20 minutes. I fished roughly the whole time and the only things I an tell you is I fished from 66% - 10% and moved to a fresh spot
    I caught 48 things
    3 Junk - 6% of my Catch
    32 Common - 67% o my Catch
    4 Uncommon - 8% of my catch
    2 Rare - 4% of my catch
    1 Ultra Rare - 2% of my catch

    [12/22/2018 11:12:43 AM] Entering Shangri La from Grumridge
    [12/22/2018 11:12:55 AM] Location of Boat Exit to Overworld marked on compass and map.
    [12/22/2018 11:12:55 AM] Location of Town Crier marked on compass and map.
    [12/22/2018 11:13:03 AM] Flair Minamoto is now online.
    [12/22/2018 11:13:09 AM] Rhianna: I've got what you'll need to make the finest dishes!
    [12/22/2018 11:13:09 AM] Benjamin: Any mage worth their sulfurous ash knows the value of preparedness. I have the reagents you need!
    [12/22/2018 11:14:38 AM] You gained an item (Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:17:19 AM] You gained an item (Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:18:29 AM] Nox Ffred is now online.
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    [12/22/2018 11:21:07 AM] You gained an item (Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:21:41 AM] You gained an item (Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:22:03 AM] You gained an item (Cod x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:22:27 AM] You gained an item (Minnow x1) from fishing.
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    [12/22/2018 11:26:21 AM] You gained an item (Brook Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:27:02 AM] Malimn Calfyre is now offline.
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    [12/22/2018 11:30:35 AM] You gained an item (Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:31:18 AM] You gained an item (Minnow x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:32:38 AM] You gained an item (Large Brook Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:35:19 AM] You gained an item (Peacock Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:35:54 AM] You gained an item (Spotted Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:37:40 AM] You gained an item (Catfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:37:51 AM] Cohentor Eternitus is now offline.
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    [12/22/2018 11:38:21 AM] You gained an item (Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:39:22 AM] You gained an item (Peacock Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:41:05 AM] You gained an item (Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:43:37 AM] Grumpie Weinie takes 19 points of damage from falling.
    [12/22/2018 11:44:21 AM] You gained an item (Minnow x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:45:22 AM] You gained an item (Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:46:16 AM] You gained an item (Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:48:02 AM] You gained an item (Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:50:07 AM] You gained an item (Salmon x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:51:59 AM] You gained an item (Salmon x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:52:49 AM] You gained an item (Catfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 11:54:37 AM] You gained an item (Salmon x1) from fishing.
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    [12/22/2018 12:00:44 PM] You gained an item (Salmon x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:01:17 PM] You gained an item (Spotted Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:02:25 PM] You gained an item (Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:03:53 PM] Jayydoc is now online.
    [12/22/2018 12:04:44 PM] You gained an item (Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:04:59 PM] You gained an item (Cod x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:06:58 PM] You gained an item (Leather Gloves x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:09:29 PM] You gained an item (Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:10:32 PM] You gained an item (Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:11:28 PM] You gained an item (Catfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:11:44 PM] You gained an item (Catfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:13:24 PM] You gained an item (Salmon x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:13:40 PM] You gained an item (Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:14:56 PM] You gained an item (Salmon x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:15:43 PM] You gained an item (Sunfish x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:17:07 PM] You gained an item (Cod x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:17:54 PM] You gained an item (Leather Helm x1) from fishing.
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    [12/22/2018 12:18:20 PM] You gained an item (Bass x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:18:48 PM] You gained an item (Minnow x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:20:08 PM] You gained an item (Cloth Gloves x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:20:18 PM] Fnor Minamoto is now online.
    [12/22/2018 12:20:40 PM] You gained an item (Trout x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:20:47 PM] Tarin Merrywhistle is now online.
    [12/22/2018 12:21:32 PM] You gained an item (Large Pacu x1) from fishing.
    [12/22/2018 12:21:52 PM] Entering Grumpie Hermit's Hide-a-way from Shangri La


    Now here in lies the problem - The only data I can use is from what I caught. I have no idea how many casts I actually made so I have no way of testing what my actual % is.

    Why is this an issue because when this all launched there was no testing done with the skills, they where not even activated properly before release. When they where release there was a problem that was a result of a % Bait Recovery affecting actually catching chances. They should not correlate at all, but they did.

    As a person who looks for them numbers and tries to see if there are problems or not it is now extremely difficult to test out these types of things with real numbers. 100 - 1000s of casts should be used to get test data but I am not going to use a round about method of counting them.

    It would be easy if I saw "Caught Nothing" in my logs.


    For those who do not care, sorry, I am almost positive there is something wrong with fishing math. I have yet to catch a Rare Lava Fish, but since there is zero idea what the diff is between an Heavy or a Regular Gem Lure. %3 "Critical" for rod of prosperity - what does that mean? What does 50 Lava Fishing vs 100 Lava fishing actually mean, Sure it is a better chance to catch a Lava fish but the end result is I cannot test it. Some have caught a few ??? How is it some have a few and others are still shut out? What is the secret number? Is it something weird like Crit Chance Possibility is in there?

    I have zero ways of truly testing these numbers out, and since player do not care, developers do not care and . . . .

    Since you do not really care then allow it back in so players who actually want to figure out problems can . give us the tools to truly test things out.

     
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