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Remove timer for tax free deeds in player owned town.

Discussion in 'Wishlist Requests' started by Nick, Sep 21, 2019.

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  1. Nick

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    They have talked about for a long time. I wish the developers would just remove it. :)
     
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    What timer?

    You mean the days left on the house interface?
     
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    I can understand the countdown if I don't log in for 12 months, but...
    Can anyone explain the actual purpose of this, if I am regularly logging in?
     
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    Yep, the timer for lot expiry.

    No purpose actually, since it refreshes every time you log in.
     
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    And if the governor wants you gone because you haven't shown up in a while, they can make it happen, so it's not like there is a reason for it to time out.
     
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    maybe for just the governor of the town =) if tf deeds
     
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    The timer on TF deeds correspond to the size pledge that was bought.

    LOTM = 13mo. before they have to log in to refresh.
    Duke = 12mo.
    Baron = 11mo. (I think)

    And so on...

    Any lower tier bundles or lower tier pledges have the 194 day cap just like they were paying rent.

    The timer does serve a purpose on TF deeds...
    It lets the higher tier pledge accounts know how many months they have before they have to log in and refresh.

    (IE. All of my TF deeds refresh to 359 days and 23hrs when I log in.)
     
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    A lot of higher tier pledge accounts sit dormant and are used as refresher accounts.
    Sometimes I go months without logging in on my higher tier pledge accounts.
     
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    Greetings all
    The timer on deeds serves a useful and hassle free service in both POT and NPC towns ones. The timer provides a way for popular towns to keep interested people living and working there. I will admit that unpopular town would benefit from not having a timer, their towns would not become a ghost town. It would only be an illusion though. Popular towns, either POT or NPC, need to have each lot active and if it is not active there are probably many people wanting to live/sell there. As for Governors in POT what would happen if there was not times and the owner was evicted and a glitch happened and he lost some items. Or the fact that there were evicted and they didn't know their items went to the bank? Or maybe PORT actually implemented the idea that when you are evicted your house goes to the property mover? This becomes a support issue for the Governor and not for PORT. As a Governor myself I don't want 20 or even 1 person screaming at me I would rather the timer work and it becomes the deed owners problem.

    Every time you login and visit your lot the timer resets. Most of the time your lot is the only one you have so you would probably visit it anyway. If you have more than 1 lot you would probably visit at least 1 during the timers length or it is not an active lot anyway and someone else would love to live there and be productive. For non Tax free lots just put some credit on it.

    Long live the timer!

    p.s. sorry for the wall of text
     
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    Greetings Duke Ezekiel Cooper
    Just wanted to show you this and make a correction to my previous post. The TAX Free deed do expire after the time runs out but instead of having to visit the lot you just need to login and it resets all timers on all lots as you mentioned. It also resets if some one with permission to the lot logs in and changes something on the lot. You not logging in for months must still be before your timer runs out so it would reset all deeds to max again and you can go another few months before logging in again. lower pledges would have a shorter time to do this and may not be months. For instance LOTM has over 12 months they can be away before their lots become unclaimed.

    His is the text from the Player Instructions:

    Lots used by tax free deeds will become unclaimed if the lots are not interacted with after the number of days shown in the list below.


    • Citizen: 150 days
    • Edelmann: 180 days
    • Knight: 210 days
    • Knight Marshal: 240 days
    • Lord: 270 days
    • Lord Marshal: 300 days
    • Baron, Baron 2, Baron 3: 330 days
    • Duke: 360 days
    • Lord of the Manor, Lord of the Manor 2: 390 days
    • All others: 120 days

    The lot ownership expiration timer resets when the lot owner's account is logged into or someone with permission interacts with the lot (i.e., an item on the lot is moved, modified, removed, or added to the lot).
     
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    Correct, although I don't think other players interacting with items that they have permissions to or placing/moving items on my lots resets the timers.
    I have to log in to do that.
    Will test it...
     
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    Perhaps like POTs can be set as PVP or non PVP, why not let Governers set the town as with Timer or without Timer for tax free deeds?
     
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    Anyone that is set as trustee to your lot can reset the timer. I do it all the time for folks in PaxLair
     
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    So complicated!

    In this case, the more information the better. For instance, just mark on the UI that the deed on the lot is Tax Free, or something similar. That way people will know what's going on with the lot.

    Or else you could have two counts; claim expires and claim renewed, ie.
    Claim expires in 170 days.
    Claim renewed 2 days ago.

    And people can figure out what's going on from that.
     
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    POT's can't be set PVE or PVP on the owner's whim. It requires having your town unlocked and making the change. It is NOT a free change. it costs a $25 service voucher to get it done.
     
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    Hey everyone! Let's delay Ep 2 another year and get the timers to not work on some POTs! low hanging fruit , indeed.
     
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    OK, cool
    Learn something new everyday. :)
     
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    I would have liked it to be a Governor/Steward flag/checkbox.
    With two tiers, a specific checkbox in the lot permission to remove the timer for a lot, a default flag for the governor that disables timers on all lots in the POT.

    That way it would work in all use cases from some governors who do want this to those who want some to those who like it the way it is.

    But to me that is a "good to have" compared to other stuff that might be "need to have".
     
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    I like this! But the torches are lit, the pitchfork are raised ..... I sense someone casting fireflies on me, was told it can't be debuffed.
     
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    I think we are overcomplicating this.
    The reason tax free deeds have a 'timer' is so that inactive lots don't forever sit taking up a space.
    This is an issue in non-player-owned-towns as there's no evict button.
    In player owned towns, if someone goes inactive, you can evict.
    Therefore the timer is an unnecessary thing.
    If Governer wants to see how long since someone logged in, you can see this on friends list, assuming you're friends with everyone that lives in your town.
    Or 'last login' could simply be added to one of the various pot interfaces. Seems easier?
     
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