Puncture OP

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  1. OzzyOsbourne

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    First off; Backstab passive was obviously ignored.
    2nd off; Masterworking +%puncture x2spears was obviously ignored.

    You cannot say something is OP without attributing the truth where its deserved.

    The real thing that is OP is SOTA MATH.

    Sota math is so OP that is makes people cry. It made people cry when air mages were OP when there was a bug that made air shield more powerful (7th stack bug). It was also OP when archers charged shots were apparently broken. Sota math was also OP when death shield was OP. Sota math is so OP that it makes people ignore facts and tricks them into thinking something else is OP when we all know that the TRUE UNDENIABLE FACT is that SOTA MATH IS OP!

    The issue here is more along the lines that death shield cant be used anymore as a safety net vs physical damage so people just gotta attack the next TOP damage number which is puncture but spears is worst DPS of all physical damage (after bludgeon, sorry bludgeon :p ). Archery outdpses blades and blades outdpses spears on single targets 100% of the time under all circumstances. Singling out puncture is just ridiculous at this point in the game. Especially when talking about PVP. Spears and bludgeon have the LOWEST crit chance in the game.

    +%masterwork on weaponX2 +%backstab damage +%critdamagemod from fireflies +critdamagemod from berserker + weapondamage on armor + str buffs

    SPEED AND RANGE IS MORE OP IN PVP.

    I just find it funny that I stumbled upon this post today coming from a fire mage that can outdps anyone in a multi targeting situation. Stop QQing and blink more.

    p.s.: Sota math is OP.

    p.s.s.: Nerf Puncture since 2017.
     
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    :D Crow makes a very good point here.
     
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    You understand wrong ) I know very well that encounter with you is 10 of 10 dangerous.
    The problem with OP things, that with new armor and weapons(new chants+upscaled artifacts+new arts) born huge amount of imbalanced things.
    Ozzy is right puncture is completely OP for 2 years. Same as 130 level air mage same as 130 level fire mage same as 130 earth mage, same as 130 level archer same as 130 level blade same as 130 level halberd. Atos is not PVP god and not PVE god. He gave an instrument but people who will use instruments are decades more advanced in understanding SOTA then he is, just becouse he cant allow to input 5-10k hours in sota gameplay. Focused gameplay is OP. The only balance that can be in such environment is to limit PVE gods by PVP gods, and this is all, kicked 120 level, NO PRIVATE ZONE, ONLY PVP+MP forever. This will sovle the issue.
    P.S. Also there is great counter to almost any build - call a friend, this game need escalation.
     
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    Dodge
    Parry
    Speed
    Range

    The only difference is that piercing shot and rend dont have to deal with Parry. And Piercing shot doesnt deal much with Speed or Range.
     
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    2x spears no longer does more puncture damage than a 2 hand halberd. Two handed weapons are now better for the damage of individual skills.

    And when talking about a particular skill being OP, Backstab or any other global modifier that effects all weapons should be considered unless it affects that skill more than other skills.

    As far as puncture goes, the damage isnt the problem, It ignoring armor, reducing healing by 15%, and bleeding (just liek rend does so any OPness associated with rend is also applicable ot THIS skill, plus its better than rend cuz it can hurt undeads), and having extended range.

    I think the partial armor ignore instead of full armor ignore would mitigate what's actually OP about puncture. In ranged skills, Piercign shot INTENTIALLY does alot less damage than aimed shot BECAUSE it pierces armor. that was the reason that was given for it being as weak as it is compared to the other ranged skills.
     
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    Rend is applied even if you dodge, parry or get a glancing blow ;) and it goes past DR.
     
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    Yea effects shouldn't be applied if its defended against.
     
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