Please Do Not Add Vendor Search Through Lua

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  1. FrostII

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    So, are you saying that Chris shouldn't even try to implement search at all - or what exactly are you saying ?
    How long it takes to load your bank, a vendor and mailbox - depends on what's in them. Was your town loading at the same time?
    I never have a big issue with how long it takes those 3 things to load......
     
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    When you said this same thing in that other thread, @CICI (below):
    My response is the same now as it was then - 'cept using your font color for emphasis (below):

    I love ya, CICI - but you do realize that there are over 200 "Towns" with more coming in the "New Lands".
    Traveling or teleporting to all of them to do a search is just as unreasonable as the no vendor search we have now.

    There are many other/better ways to create "natural spots for players to gather in towns", so that's another subject beyond the OP.
     
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    Some players like running around all the towns looking for good deals on vendors, and buying up low priced items to resell.

    Checking 200 towns is way easier than checking all the vendors in every town, which some players are already doing.

    I personally would like to see a regional vendor search implemented as well, but I think a town vendor search would be a great place to start.
    It would always be possible to add a regional or universal search later after town search has been added.
    Moving from a regional/universal search to town based search would be much more difficult.

    As Raph Koster said in his blog post:

    Do auction houses suck?
    https://www.raphkoster.com/2012/03/20/do-auction-houses-suck/
     
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    Nothing new under the sun.
    @Wilfred your concerns are totally justified but my guess is that the devs will never create an ingame system because, simply, they never had the manpower to do it and they'll never have one. That's why this LUA thing appeared in the first place : let the player do it instead of Catnip.
     
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    @Wilfred
    Forgive me, but I'm not certain I understand what you're saying above.
    When you say "which some players are already doing", are you saying that you believe that there are players who check every vendor in every town currently ?
    Just teleporting (not to mention running to all the vendors after getting there) to over 200 towns would be a 24hr job on a good day.
     
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    He boasts that fully half the players in SWGO ran shops, but doesn't state the flipside which is that fully everyone uses the auction house in other games, so that's already twice as bad as having an auction house. He also goes on to admit his game shifted to an auction house to compete with the more popular option - having an auction house. You can still have your merchant fantasy with an auction house, there are people who play wow and only play the auction house. Just as his example of a used bookstore isn't great. There are massive coffee and beer corporations and yet plenty of small time boutique coffee houses and craft breweries regardless. Also malls in Asia that consist almost entirely of small time one off specialist retailers, etc. Koster made some great stuff, but it doesn't hold up against more modern offerings, the world has moved on and his Era has been.
     
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    I'm an addicted deco items collecter and sometimes selller and do 30 towns most days and check all the vendors. Because I do this daily I only have to check the vendors sorted on date last days items and run to the next. I also use a "speed" build which gives me max speed to move. This takes me about 45 minutes. Once a week I do 70 towns and all vendors which takes me about 2 hours, this because I also take pic's of various deco's which I come across and makes the 2 hours also enjoyable. Once a month I try to do all the towns and that takes me all day.

    Not sure how many others do this but just to let you know there is at least one crazy guy doing this!
    Would I want a better way? Yes! Only thing that I would probaly miss is coming across the deco's which I take pic's off.
     
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    I honestly don't care if he half implements any of it. Lets half implement another dozen things!
     
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    Now that's not fair. They'll implement at least 80% of it. Just not the 20% that makes it worth having.
     
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    Yes, for 2018 and prior systems. But I don't think we're getting to 80% anymore. Lua? NPC convos? Functional isn't 80%. 80% means it just needs some polish and we're at shiny 100%.

    Anyway.... we're off topic now.
     
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    Log into Eve Online. Look at the Market System. Emulate that. Done.
     
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    Star Wars Galaxies :)
     
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    Even World of Warcraft or Neverwinter ...

    Right now there are some spammers in trader-channel and that's it. No players, no buyers - just as dead as the real streets right now.

    Face it - before you build community-goodies you need a community. SOTA has not enough players right now. Take some money and and use it for public relations and sales. Everything else is a waste of time.
     
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    Ah. I've only recently returned to the game, and haven't touched any of those systems yet. Kinda bummed about NPCs, though happy to discover this before plopping COTOs down on a store NPC.
     
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    Regional - yes
    Especially after having spent far too many hours/days searching for materials. No XP for that, you know.
     
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    10000000000000000% agree. If you make something like this LUA I’m done. I came to this game to see your (developers) work not some other players or create an LUA. LUA should be removed in my honest opinion. Do not provide a function under LUA.
     
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    Uh, TL;DR, but doesn't UO have a search system within the game not tied to any player scripts? Why not just that? I get it's a lot of work for the developers, but something in-game that allows for search to find items would be the most straightforward solution, no?
     
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    Excuse me, but what is LUA?

    I agree that if this takes you out of the game, then I vote NO... A vendor search should be accessed in the game, NOT out of the game... JMO... and Yes, the search data should include "prices" and be filtered for a specific item: all of the same type item should appear in the search... If pricing your item for -1 gold puts you on top, so be it... If I can make a judgement and decide to go far away to save just 1 gold, I think I would buy locally...

    The problem with our current system is: I need 4ea of an "uncommon" item to craft a Great item... Trying to find all 4 is like searching for a Needle in a Haystack which makes it impossible to find...
     
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    Lua should only be a tool to enhance and prolong gameplay, not force key systems into the hands of players to develop and maintain. A vendor aid system like this, whether it is a search or market system, IMO is a KEY system that should be implemented by the dev team, NOT players. Lua should be for non key systems or to enhance key systems already in place.
    Putting this in the hand of the players seems like a palm off to me.
     
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