Blind: does it even work?

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  1. Barugon

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    So, here's my blind skill:

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    Using it on shadow creatures in Spindelskog doesn't seem to reduce the number of glancing blows that I do at all. Does this skill even work?
     
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    Try a bug report, maybe? They seem to be doing much better at getting on top of them these days, with @Ravalox heading up the bug brigade.
     
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    Here's an example from my log. This is rapid fire charged to 5 right after Blind also charged to 5 (-128 Damage Avoidance):
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    [8/30/2020 4:33:05 AM] Barugon attacks Vigorem Cavas (T12) and hits, dealing 8 points of glancing damage due to armor from Rapid Fire.
    [8/30/2020 4:33:05 AM] Barugon attacks Vigorem Cavas (T12) and hits, dealing 33 points of damage from Rapid Fire.
    [8/30/2020 4:33:06 AM] Barugon attacks Vigorem Cavas (T12) and hits, dealing 24 points of damage from Rapid Fire.
    [8/30/2020 4:33:06 AM] Barugon attacks Vigorem Cavas (T12) and hits, dealing 4 points of glancing damage due to armor from Rapid Fire.
    [8/30/2020 4:33:06 AM] Barugon attacks Vigorem Cavas (T12) and hits, dealing 5 points of glancing damage due to armor from Rapid Fire.
    [8/30/2020 4:33:06 AM] Barugon attacks Vigorem Cavas (T12) and hits, dealing 66 points of critical damage from Rapid Fire.
    [8/30/2020 4:33:06 AM] Barugon attacks Vigorem Cavas (T12) and hits, dealing 35 points of critical damage from Rapid Fire.
    [8/30/2020 4:33:07 AM] Barugon attacks Vigorem Cavas (T12) and hits, dealing 137 points of critical damage from Rapid Fire.
    [8/30/2020 4:33:07 AM] Barugon attacks Vigorem Cavas (T12) and hits, dealing 2 points of glancing damage due to armor from Rapid Fire.
    4 of the 9 shots were glancing blows.
     
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    What does the debuff text say when you cast on a mob? Just wondering, because the description says that spec adds -crit reduction, but that's not listed on the tooltip stats and avoidance, which is a different thing, is.

    Sometimes it's really hard to tell for sure if debuffs are broken from a player pov. I remember a long time ago testing bludgeon debuffs, and if they didn't have any effect, I still didn't know they were necessarily broken, because the mob might just have no base dr (or whatever) in the first place.
     
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    Here's what it says on a practice target:

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    I don't have Sun specialization so I don't get the critical reduction (I think it reduces a mobs ability to score a crit).
     
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    I didn't even know the non spec version had -avoid. Guess I haven't kept up with things very well.

    I would try to ask Chris about it, because it might be a case like he was recently talking about where a mob's base stat could be so ridiculously high that the debuff could be working but not making any significant difference anyway. I guess the only way to to test would be to do a big sample with and without debuff vs. a particular target, but even that doesn't really work unless you also how much the -dex component affects mob gb too.
     
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    It's not just the shadow spiders, I've noticed it on other mobs too.
     
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    The Blessing of Elusiveness is supposed to lower my DA by 20 but mine is still 6: 2 from the shroud and 4 from the bonesteel crown (yes, I occasionally receive a glancing blow), so I know that things are not being applied in the right order. I bug reported this and it was... overlooked.

    [edit] My DA before the blessing is 8.
     
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    Good backwork, @Barugon - I think you have enough to present as a bug .
    Please do so :)
     
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    It's already there.
     
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    Crap! I forgot to ask about this on the livestream. :(
     
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    Despite what the tooltip says, as a sun specialist with blind at 130 I've never found a single scenario where I've noticed it make a single bit of difference. I just have it levelled for attunement. We even tried some parsing tests but over 500 sample size couldn't make any meaningful conclusions about its efficacy. I don't bother casting it anymore.
     
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    Thanks for that. I asked on one of the streams but I don't think that @Chris has looked into it yet.
     
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    Some creatures may have high sun resistance which reduce the effect of debuff greatly. If you cast it on dragons that has high magic resistance, it usually reduce a little DA only.

    As for sun spec, the reduce critical hit effect is always 5% no matter what level you have on sun spec. That mean it never scale with sun spec level.
     
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    You can see how much debuff via the tooltip under the mob's health bar. The issue here is that the damage avoidance debuff has no effect on any mob (although it's clearly displayed under the mobs health bar).
     
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    Well, this pretty much sums it up:

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    Yeah, those shadow mobs are possibly 100% immune to any kind of magic, so this makes sense, kind of rough though!

    Does it do the same thing with other mobs or just the shadow mobs?
     
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    It doesn't make sense to me that a shadow mob would be immune to sun magic.
    It seems to me that it doesn't work on any mob that has high damage avoidance. It works on the non-shadow spiders but they don't have much damage avoidance.
     
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    It's ultimately crap that it's supposed to provide just a few measly seconds of debuff (with a long cast time) but actually does nothing.
     
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    It sorta does, though, because the opposed schools concept is applied inconsistently. And a poor idea to begin with. Sometimes a school is stronger against its opposite, sometimes it's weaker.
     
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