Pet food - Dragon Kibbles - does little or nothing at all

03/31/2021 22:23
Title: Pet food - Dragon Kibbles - does very little to nothing at all.
Reproduction Rate: 100%
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Details: I wanted to see exactly how much combat damage benefit my pet would receive when fed Dragon Kibbles.
I commanded it to attack my training dummy and tracked all damages for 15 mins ( 15mins with no food, 15mins with Dragon Kibbles).
As the pic below shows, using this food is a waste of resources at best.
The differences in damage done is less than 1% 10%
If you look at #Uses of "Auto attack" IE Not Poison or Web, over 400 uses during this time period is certainly "Statistically Significant" IE Valid
The data comes directly from my SotA Chatlog
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*** EDIT *** @Echondas I redid the math and the increase in damage/time is just under 10% (not 1%).
Nevertheless, 10% is nowhere near 50% - and makes a big difference in choosing which 3 foods to feed our pets........
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Steps to Reproduce: Do what I did
User Specs:
OS: Windows 10 (10.0.0) 64bit
CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz (12) System RAM: 16296
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 GPU RAM: 8079
SotA.Win.64.1374.Date.03.30.21
Area: POT_mountain_metropolis_01_template/Duanor
Area Display Name: Duanor
Loc: (-81.9, 24.5, 176.5)
Debug: UE9UX21vdW50YWluX21ldHJvcG9saXNfMDFfdGVtcGxhdGV8RHVhbm9yfCgtODEuODcxLCAyNC40NTIsIDE3Ni40ODMpfCgwLCAtMC45ODgsIDAsIDAuMTU0KXwtMTIyLjMzNTd8MjMuNDAzNzh8MTMuMjk5Nw==

 

I'm going to move this to feedback, since technically the food seems to have helped a bit, just not as much as one might desire.

 

@Echondas
Really ?
The description for the food says: " +50% Melee and Ranged Critical Damage ".
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The chatlog numbers show less than 1% difference and you feel it's NOT a bug ?
Wow.

 

it's actually 2% since the second sample contains 1% less hits. 2% more damage would be consistent with a 4% crit chance with 50% more damage.
so the problem might be that it is actually not particularly useful to buff crit damage in the first place, unless there is some way to increase crit chance too.

 

@FrostII I was a little hesitant to mark it as a verified bug, since I verified another bug recently and Chris mentioned on his stream that it came across his desk as verified but it was actually working as intended.. but he made it better based on the feedback. This was: https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/f...ed-w-blue-blood-warding-increases-dmg.166049/

So based on the numbers you presented, the food 'did' help .. a little.. 50%? I'm not sure where that 50% factors in to the equation.. so I moved the post to feedback. Not trying to upset anyone, just thought that was the best place for it, and to get some eyes on your observations.

 

Thx for the fb @dayero - my 1% referred to total damage.
If I did my tests a dozen more times, I believe that there would be no difference in total damage over time - since I suspect that it would show that 1% "more" dmg as often without the food as with the food.
I suppose I'll have to take a couple of hrs MORE of my time to show that.

 

i have no idea what "fb" means.
I believe you believe wrong. Your second sample has not only fewer hits but also a lower crit percentage. So what little evidence is there actually points to the buffed pet being slightly unlucky and the difference might be a bit bigger.

Best guess: Works as intended. Player food buffs are also things like 10% on ONE attack skill.

 

@dayero ?
Works as "intended" ?
They "say" it should give a 50% boost to melee and crit dmg, and it doesn't do anywhere NEAR that - and yet you say it "works as intended" ?
What am I missing here ?
Or
What are you ?

 

It would be interesting to see what the average damage of only critical hits is in each situation as it is only the damage for those hits that is supposed to be increased, not a 50% increase in overall damage. It also might help certain pets more than others if they crit more. But not quite interesting enough for me to take the time for testing and chat log scouring right now.

Plus the kibble also gives health and regen so its a bit unfair to say it does nothing, just less than you'd like, unless you think that is also not working.

 

Which specific Tamed Creature did you use for this test @FrostII ? You did not provide that information.

 

i performed two 10 min battles with a training dummy using a fero black arach and then ran it through my chatlog combat analyzer. first was without kibbles, second was with. i do feel like the 50% crit damage was there. it seems like it increased almost exactly 50%. also the poison ranged was unaffected.

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Code:

Ferocious Black Arachnid vs Training Dummy for 10 min - No Kibbles

Offense
Regular Attacks Dealt    1481  
Regular Damage Dealt    36803  
Critical Attacks Dealt    61 (4%)  
Critical Damage Dealt    14527  
Damage Per Second        85
 
Base Attack
attack_count            289
critical_count            61
total_regular_damage    18779
total_critical_damage    14527
high_regular_hit        102
high_critical_hit        376
Avg Damage Per Attack    115

Web
attack_count            72
critical_count            0
total_regular_damage    3006
total_critical_damage    0
high_regular_hit        51
high_critical_hit        0
Avg Damage Per Attack    42

Poison
attack_count            1181
critical_count            0
total_regular_damage    15018
total_critical_damage    0
high_regular_hit        102
high_critical_hit        0
Avg Damage Per Attack    13

Ferocious Black Arachnid vs Training Dummy for 10 min - With Kibbles

Offense
Regular Attacks Dealt    1498  
Regular Damage Dealt    35764  
Critical Attacks Dealt    76 (5%)  
Critical Damage Dealt    22184  
Damage Per Second    96

Base Attack
attack_count            289
critical_count            76
total_regular_damage    17551
total_critical_damage    22184
high_regular_hit        102
high_critical_hit        428
Avg Damage Per Attack    137
 
Web
attack_count            73
critical_count            0
total_regular_damage    3023
total_critical_damage    0
high_regular_hit        51
high_critical_hit        0
Avg Damage Per Attack    41

Poison
attack_count            1212
critical_count            0
total_regular_damage    15190
total_critical_damage    0
high_regular_hit        101
high_critical_hit        0
Avg Damage Per Attack    13

 

Ferocious Black Arachnid

 

I was checking Sustained DPS on my earth elemental with and without Gorn’s Venison Roast. No food: Sustained DPS 51.53. With Gorn’s Venison Roast, Sustained DPS 60.94.

For a 2 point food that’s really not even worth it to even make or use to be honest.....

This is using the Amalgamate lua mod. Which sadly is no longer being developed. I believe the sustained DPS part is still correct however.

 

I tested again both with and without Kibbles for exactly 15mins each.

Without Kibbles my Ferocious Black Arachnid did a total of 81,329 damage (auto/web/poison - both normal and crit damage).
With Kibbles my Ferocious Black Arachnid did a total of 83,465 damage (auto/web/poison - both normal and crit damage).
Total damage increase (both normal and crit damage) - (using Kibbles) was just slightly over 9.7%

If I break out all the crit damages, (no food) - total crit damage was 25,315 - (with Kibbles) it was 26,824
So, total crit damage increase was 9.4%

Bottom Line:
Over a 15 minute constant attack on my training dummy - total damage (including crit dmg) increased by about 9.7%, crit damage itself increased by 9.4% (using Kibbles).
So, there IS an increase in damage - but it's less than 10% - which, once again is WAY less than the 50% increase stated on the food.

 

that is really interesting @FrostII. would you be willing to upload your chatlog to my analyzer and see what the numbers are there?

NOTE: i do not retain any trace of chatlog files on the server as they are deleted after processing and i store no data related to the processing.

A note about the processor, if you did your testing all in one scene session you will need to choose the datetime ranges in order to peel out the data into blocks.

 

from your own screenshot: "+50% melee and ranged critical damage"
that is absolutely NOT the same as "+50% melee and critical damage"

if i read you correctly what you expect is around 50% total damage boost for a melee pet.
but i understand it the way that only crits are boosted. lets assume i am right and do some quick rough guess math for that:
you got around 80% normal damage and 20% crits which are usually what? 200% damage?
so average dmg is 0.80 + (2 * 0.2) = 120% regular attack damage.
now you boost critical dmg to 250%. so your end up with 0.8 + (2.5 * 0.2) = 130% regular attack damage.
1.3 / 1.2 is 1.083, so you got an expected 8.3% increase in damage from a 50% crit dmg boost.

so that is pretty close to what you got in your newer test runs. The tool tip is pretty easy to misunderstand. But yeah, that is probably it.

 

Looking at my data again and I stand corrected.
My crit damage was increased by 50% - I was too focused on increased overall damage over the same time period.

I humbly apologize to all of you for my mistake here, and will do my best to never let it happen again.

 

i very much enjoyed this experience @FrostII so i for one thank you questioning things, even if in the end we find we arent necessarily correct, allows us to grow and learn from not just ourselves but also this wonderful community

 

Thx for the kind words, @Tirrag