Who Killed Role-Playing in MMOs?

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  1. James T. Cook

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    Indeed. Or I can come in as an admiral of the navy... oh wait I am an admiral of the navy. Well I guess I can say whatever I want about myself.
     
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    And a good thing too, if the computer ran a full scan of my physique and put a copy of my actual self in game i would not be an effective melee class... though my discount from female vendors would be through the roof! :rolleyes:
     
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    A very fine admiral you are, I might add!
     
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    And I have a very fine fleet as well!

    thanks.
     
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    To add more to my post and to finally answer your question IMO. What killed RP. I think video games killed RPG.

    Before video games existed pen and paper RPG. The sad thing is MMO were created because OF pen and paper RPG.

    In video games your RP translates to ZERO in character progression. In video games leveling translates to character progression. So RPng literally slows you down.

    If you arent busting your butt grinding levels your friends will get into the raids first than you and get to all the new juicy content first than you and you will have to enjoy the game by yourself because they will be in the next higher raid.

    No time for chit chat RP rubbish!

    Crap I bought this game to play with my friends who are level 50. So the next time someone tries to chat with me I am going to tell him to fly a kite I need to grind levels.

    In NWN Dungeon Masters gave XP for roleplaying and didnt let you advance to level 10 and beyond unless your characters bio was on FLEEK. Well the hardcore RP ones were like that at least.

    So games and the way they translate grinding into character progression is what put the stake in the coffin for RP.

    Will SOTA make me level 100 for attending all the plays that are on Avatarscircle.com? I seriously doubt that.

    We will have to reward eachother with some well thought out characters and each others company in our RP communities.

    However we can create RP rewards in game. I happen to have already begun and here it is....

    Notice how it doesn't say my name. So yes anyone with the ability to RP can get housing in Serenite.

    That person will have to RP himself to the city and figure out who I am in order to live there.

    http://orderofvengeance.com/towns/serenite/

    Housing & RP community

    As mentioned above Serenites main goal is to attract an RP community. Residents of Serenite are expected to remain in character refrain from any OOC talk.
    Becoming a resident does not involve an online application. It requires in game roleplay. That means your character will have to find his way to the town of Serenite and roleplay with the Duke of Serenite. Serenite will also contain members of the Order of Vengeance within its walls and those residents are recruited by Duke Violation.

    So we can make a difference Mr. Peasant...

    We just need to put our heads together and create rewards for roleplay that will outweigh those that are achieved by getting to level 100.
     
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    You are taking it too literally, what I said and straying away from the original thing you posted, to which I replied:

    You are saying here, so as I read it, that skill of the human person behind the keyboard is the skill you want to use for the translation into the virtual world.

    That is a game of skill, not a specifically a roleplaying game.

    If I roleplay someone who can run super fast, that is not me in real life, nor should it be how fast I can oscillate the A and D keys on a keyboard == game of finger skill.

    As for role playing and what that means, to each person it is going to be different simply because the definition of role-playing is within itself. A role that you play (pretend), or a role that you are assigned (you are good at writing in real life, you are assigned the role of editor!)

    The suggestion that you can't play yourself has more to do with the translation of a virtual space as a "play" space. Across a table, behind a typewriter, in front of a crowd, we can let imagination transport us anywhere we desire.

    Computers, machines, tools, are by their very nature, specific to a task, and come with finite interfaces with which to make them attempt to produce the unrestricted content we dream.

    It is not unrealistic to want to play "ourselves", but keep in mind the scope of what you propose in those terms, that MY skills translate into the world of Novia, via the interface SotA, is beyond current technology -- certainly the budget of what we have before us.
     
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    Honestly? we the parents did, kids nowadays dont have the imagination we did, the need for instant gratification etc etc, has really done away with kids imagination, when we were kids we used to fantasize about magical worlds and stuff to relieve boredome, or read a book or something, when was the last time you saw a kid actually just being imaginative or reading books? this is why roleplay is pretty much obsolete, they just dont know how to
     
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    So true.
     
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    Ha, just wait till that stretch goal for boats dream comes true, Admiral, and then we'll see who has the biggest fleet. Captain Jack will let ya pass by for a couple barrels of rum though, otherwise he'll have to run ya up on the reef.
     
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    I wouldnt lump kids into that category. My spouse teaches children aged 5->12 (library specialist).

    She deals with nothing but their imaginations all day long. It is amazing what children and young kids have in terms of imagination.

    We are not talking about kids who dont use iPADS for lessons and PCs all day long either. They play minecraft, do research on the web, talk about texting/chatting, etc...

    Here is a tweet she had last week: "4th graders, talking about whether group texts or emails were better. I told them when I was their age we wrote notes. One of them pats my shoulder, shakes her head, and says, 'New generation. It's a thing.'"

    Having to hand write notes has nothing to do with a lack of imagination. A lack of imagination is what comes from a lack of exposure to books, and discussion, in SCHOOL/EDUCATION to start.

    If parents are just sitting there, letting them interact with NOTHING in the first place, that is not a problem with children, that is a problem with their educators/supports.
     
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    OK please lets not start a Ideological discussion, lets keep it at role play please!
     
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    Haha!
     
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    I disagree. I know many RPGs that were "game of skill". In fact, I find that MMORPGs who abandon skill tend to be boring and it actually hurts the RP aspect. What's so immersive about clicking on a target and the avatar doing all the work? Having to manually slash the sword can help make me be able to be that person more. It makes me get more into the combat, live the world. But, hey, different strokes for different people. Having skill in an RPG doesn't make it any less of an RPG though.

    Kids today have excellent imagination and many of them read books. I witness it all the time.
     
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    It always needs to be a combination of player skill and character skill, IMO.
     
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    If you read the article, it talks about how pen and paper games forced people to use their imagination, as opposed to following the guidelines of some one else s vision. It really has nothing to do with the amount of imagination a kid has, its about will he use it or not.
     
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    OT, but it reminded me of this :>

     
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    I agree, nothing. That was my entire point.

    What about a person who can't interact with that "manual" sword? Does that somehow make them less a roleplayer for that particular game?

    I agree it is more immersive to be able to apply your real world skills, like LARP, but that is not the end all be all of roleplay. Just as stats and clicking random glyphs is either.

    And this is an ideological discussion, since the OP, on what defines role play, and how that, if anything, has been diminished by MMOs.
     
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    I actually liked that movie :)
     
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