Defeated by the Tour Guide Quest

you still in game? throw me an invite, i'll zone in and draw their aggro.

 

no im good finalie reacht him for the 3rd time and was abel to talk to him before i died .
but thank you for the offer.

 

Ive noticed a trend with other releases where, after a week or so, they (the devs?) sometimes reposition the tour guides to more accessible areas of a zone. That is, areas where you dont get stormed by mobs. I noticed this pattern around R12, so I stopped trying to do the grand tours for each release until about 2 weeks into the release. Ive never really leveled my toon, im the eternal lowbie, and Ive never had trouble getting a grand tour completed due to this.

So yah, I bet if you wait about 10 days and try again, theyll stick the tour guides near the zone entrance, and itl be easy as pie.

 

yep, its true!

 

At lvl 60 I had no troubles with the ghosts, they did surprise me by how much damage they were doing though! My level 10'ish alt on the other hand got absolutely obliterated!

I'm still quite disheartened at the implementation of the use based system. It's great, however player level is still such an intricate part of the game system. Now it has been hidden, it makes the quest for in-game competency (being level appropriate for zones/encounters) a very arbitrary task. We need feedback on critical parts of the game progression.

Can someone help me understand the logic behind making core systems hidden from the players? I just don't understand.

 

Sure, the answer is, it isnt hidden. Its not only pre-alpha (so the game is so far from the finished product that we should all be amazed this many people can even play it), but its a roleplaying game. While its important to be able to toggle visibility of certain game metrics, in general, game immersion is dependent on, well, not being able to see the guts of the machine at all times. Im also not sure about the statement youre making, in a general sense. I doubt whatever it is you feel should be displayed is purposefully hidden.

Also, as for the comment about in-game competency (not sure if "competency" or "arbitrary" are appropriate word choices there... though it is Sunday afternoon and Im quite inebriated at the moment ), again, its a roleplaying game. I absolutely applaud SoTA for defying forumla. 99% of all MMORPGs have the exact same formula for quests, leveling, level-appropriate-indication, etc, and I find it quite lame. I think its very boring to have a "level 5-10 zone" and a "level 10-20 zone" and so on. Its more immersive to have a zone where you might be able to handle some of the mobs, and then there are a few that totally pwn you. You should be able to tell pretty quickly if you can handle the mob youre fighting or not. If the spider kicks your butt, dont fight the spiders yet. Level some fighting skills, then try again. Your comment sounds to me like you just want an easy experience to coast through - and I am not judging you or trying to insult you here, its just an observation. The best parts of this whole game system are how different it is from most other games, and how those differences result in better game world immersion. And since I was a die hard UO fan, and played UO during its beta all the way through the whole EA trammell and fellucia drama, I must say I really love how this use base system is starting to resemble ultima of old.

So yah, I dont think these changes are meant to annoy you, its meant to create a game system where you dont have your hand held all the way through it. I despise games like warcraft, et al, for making the whole game experience like that. If youre having a hard time finding a place to level - ask someone where to go. Talk to players. Immerse yourself more in the game world. Also remember - its pre alpha. Its a prototype. "Its only a model..."

 

@stratigos When I played UO, your skills dictated whether or not you could handle yourself. If I had high magery/fighting skills then I could progress through a dungeon (this is what i mean by competency). Right now in SOTA, level plays such an important role, so despite having high fighting skills, you can still get your butt kicked because of some hidden level difference which you have no measure of, and just like the level/xp bar was hidden in R21, the adventure level line has been removed from R22 which seems very intentional. You speak of game immersion and not being able to see the guts of the machine, but simply press V, and you can't tell me that long list of letters and numbers creates game immersion can you???

Anyway. My main point of the earlier post was to comment on how this quest isn't hard... provided you are appropriate level (which is hidden). Don't want to derail this thread anymore.

 

One run with adv. Lvl. 10.
So I guess you guys were just REALLY badly out of luck.

 

He is talking about adventurer level and yeah, it was deliberately hidden. At the start of R21 and implementation of the use-based skills, Chris wanted the exp pool and the adventurer level hidden. The compromise was to have adv level displayed in the V stat list. But now that has gone and the exp bar has returned so I'm pretty sure it's disappearance again was purposeful.

 

Yup.... The avenue to specifically detailed feedback seems to be narrowing.
I am not a proponent of this direction, as I believe it reduces our ability to help shape whatever Shroud is to become............

My opinion, of course.

However, DarkStarr has gone out of his way to let us know how valuable our feedback is to Port.
And there are those among us ( Soulicide obviously included ) who feel that we could do better, in that regard, with better tools...

That's all........

 

I must have just been having a night of bad luck. I tried running it a couple more times and this time made it on the second try. The Phoenix death run was fairly effective last release. I think this one ranks right up there with it. I wonder if they are keeping body counts?

 

I agree hehe, I wonder how many skeletons are piled up there haha!

 

There is no "level" to be hidden?!
If you really must have a "level" then take an average of all of your combat skills or whatever.

In regards to the quest, It's ridiculous and not fun at all.

 

once i found where they were all i had to do was turn myself into usane bolt and sprint to him whilst spamming heals.

 

Anybody have a suggestion as to how to make the last 10 fee of the Quest 22. I keep dying right when I turn toward the area of the Tour guide. Is there something special I could do to get around the ghost or under him or over him or something?

 

@Jacqueline take a sacrificial lamb along maybe?

I'm still trying in between chanting and mining. Pretty soon I'll have to go back home and start all over by finding the place again.

 

It did not help me to have someone else with me because we both just got attacked by the ghosts and died. It was just run run run after memorizing the route to the tourguide and keep clicking on him and dying. Most won't live but you will get the tourguide eventually, so keep checking your journal. Perhaps try armoring up for the ectseter mine part. I wear plate as a warrior, but plate is not protecting you from ghosts, or much this release. So Unless we have the case of someone who can kill ghosts, then of course they will kill the ghosts

 

I have to admit that the Crag mines was a challenge with the ghosts, but once I summoned my pet 'Large Red Spider', it became relatively easy to talk to the quest guide while the spider kept the two ghosts busy.