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Final Wipe and Lot Selection

Discussion in 'Announcements' started by DarkStarr, Jan 28, 2016.

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  1. Lord Andernut

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    Kickstarter (and also pledge pages before they were changed and a few emails and sota announcements):
    There are two components to the sentence.

    1) Village... lots available to Village, Town or City...deed holders.
    2) higher value pledges have lot selection over lower value pledges.

    "Village waterfront lots available to Village, Town, or City Property deed holders."

    I know that originally city lots were all located in cities, town lots in towns and village lots in villages, but the functionality was that a City Property Deed holder can claim a Village waterfront lot.
     
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    As weins already pointed out, this will very possibly affect every single backer that has pledged for a house.
     
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    It can't. I can only impact the number of people that perform the speculative behavior.

    If you're saying, I want a street light in front of my house because cars go back way too fast and I have kids that need to cross that street to get to school. There may be 500 people that live on that street that don't need to cross and if that's the case it's probably not reasonable to buy a light for that road because of two kids.

    Likewise, it's not reasonable to say that the 50 or so people that might have POTs and speculate on lots they intend to sell are somehow impacting the 9000+ backers that will have lots. I understand that they number of perceived "best spots" is fairly low, but if you're trying to create a situation where that trickles down to people that pledged at the lowest tiers, I don't see where that's going to help considering how many people that involves. You're only hurting people at the top tiers for pledging a lot of money and supporting the game by doing this.
     
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    Huh on closer inspection you are right. As far as water lots go there can be no debate. I poked around more and there is addtionally a quote when row lots were introduced "Additionally, larger lot deeds can be used to claim a Row House Lot." condemning them as well.
    There was a lengthy debate on the topic after Starr joined the team and Starr was against it initially. But can't argue with what they have in writing for those lot types. And only the devs can say what the intent was (I mean for the water lots it's very likely their scarcity) but I have to conceed the devs should not go back on those promises.

    That's a shame, it was an elegant solution to a muddy problem.
     
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    Likewise, it's not reasonable to speculate that only 50 backers are intending on taking lower level plots and speculating. Any high level backer can do this, not only POT owners.
     
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    Question: If it's "early access" and never an official "launch" then when will I be receiving the boxed game, cloth map, etc?
     
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    Nobody that represents the game ever said "never an official launch". There will be a definitive launch when EP1 is complete.
     
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    I'm trying to recall from memory, but I thought the Lord Marshals were grouped into the same as the highest Lord tier in the rush? The statement you keep quoting doesn't have any specifics, so it can be interpreted many ways. As long as there are lower pledges that go after you when you are at a higher pledge, then the quote is fulfilled.

    Anyhow, I agree that the speculation is a large point of the land rush, and I'm sure the Devs carefully considered what effect buying POTs would have on that speculation before selling them. So if this is how they intended it (which it seems to be) then things probably won't change.

    That doesn't mean I have to like it, and I also don't feel the kickstarter reflected this amount of risk-free speculation which will encourage more high-dollar buying and selling.. but I figure the team probably feels it's good for the game, because it creates (a false sense of) desire to have housing in the game. "Look, people are paying thousands to have a lot in Brittany!" it'll make headlines and keep people talking about the game for some time. Good for them, I guess. :(

    Meanwhile, those of us who already paid hundreds or thousands in the game have even less of a chance to get that lot in Brittany, without paying more money to the speculators. As it is, the lot can now be taken before a baron gets his turn, because the Dukes are speculating, knowing their keeps are safe or even have a keep on reserve in a PoT. And this is considered fair because supposedly, the thousands paid wasn't to support the game, but as a promise that they could get a return on the money by speculating the housing market. What a bunch of baloney.

    My proposal just puts a little bit of risk back into the equation, and people are saying it's punishing. It's not, what's punishing is taking away the risk by allowing people to reserve places with PoTs. That was done, so it needs to be corrected.
     
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    No one ever said they did, but the Devs also haven't said how or if they will yet either. I'm hoping we see the physical rewards soon after July, but I also would not be surprised if it takes a little longer to ship them.
     
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    I believe the plan is for this is around December 2016
     
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    Patience my friend. They have many EP's to release. There cannot be an EP2 without an EP1.
     
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    This is how I originally interpreted the kickstarter discussion on the land rush. I thought all Royal founders would go at the same or similar time, then Founders, then Benefactors, and the advantage of the higher tiers was maybe a short time advantage plus the higher housing lot selection. I'd also thought I'd read that pledge amount would be the last determining factor in land rush selection. When the land rush announcement came out, and I saw Royal Founder Ancestors as one of the last few groups to go, I was pretty surprised and assumed I'd misinterpreted it, but I'm glad someone else posted this interpretation.
     
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    Sounds like the "American Dream!", a mentality I honestly don't fully understand.

    Frankly, I'm glad to have been born and live in a socialist country. :)
     
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    ick! :)

    I wouldn't mind the approach so much if there had been transparency from the beginning that the intention was to capitalize on the player to player real money transactions of virtual goods. From the perspective of someone who only casually followed communications from the devs, it appeared as though it was an idea that was undeveloped and not clearly expressed, and as it evolved, became known to insiders first who took the most advantage of it. So, now we have this quasi supported grey market of virtual goods, not directly regulated by the devs, with no clear rules on how transactions should proceed, and no clear characterization on how this may or may not be affecting development decisions. If from the beginning, there had been a regulated market place with clearly state goals for development impact and that real money speculation was within the design intent, people would at least have less to complain about. At least I feel like I missed that message.

    There was even that interview with RG where he reminiscences about UO real estate being black marketed for thousands of dollars and then speculates about the conversion of gold to dollar in this game. I read that and thought, 'wow, I wish I had known that was part of the design intent back at kickstarter'.

    If they continue down this path, they should probably develop a steam like market and take a small commission for all player to player real money transactions, but provide a safe and secure market for that to occur in that everyone has access to.
     
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    Please no real life politics here in the lovely land of make-believe...
     
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    We need another Lord British vs Darkstarr battle royale! Go Team Wall O' Fire! :p
     
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    I see your proposal as putting added risk into the selection process after it has been clearly stated for a long time. Which I don't see how that is fair to all the people who have already made decisions based upon what we have been told all along. Just not right IMHO.

    As a LOTM pledge, I wanted the castle lot and still do. I will pick the best spot I can. It will not be in my POT.

    As a POT owner I also want to have a castle lot to be used by me in the event I choose to move my castle into my POT at a latter date or use the space for events ect. and vice vesa!

    The last thing I can see me doing is using a large lot deed for a smaller lot just to be in Brittany.

    I wish everyone well in their quest to find the lot of your dreams.

    As in UO I am sure that will change many times in the years ahead as each of us strikes out on their road of destiny. For that I am grateful. ...hears to the unknown and the adventure that lies ahead.! :cool:
     
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    Egads. I am crushed. I will be serving my country during the land rush and will not be able to participate.
     
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    it's looking like i might be traveling on holiday during that time period myself. if it is the case (at which time i will not have my computer), i will likely not participate as well.
     
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    Let a good friend place the deed for you
     
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