Can COTO purcahses be stolen like other in game purcahses?

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  1. VZ_

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    coto/addon store gear sucks for pvp. no one uses that stuff in pvp. if you wanna wear elven gear, you're NOT pvping in it, so it doesnt matter where it comes from. the difference here between coto/addon store purchases makes perfect sense.
     
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    Unless you wear it to kill weaker mobs while farming mundane resources to avoid wear on your armour, while PvP for the EXP bonus. I know of a couple of people who do this.

    Still, regardless of what reasons the player may have - Even if it's simply just carrying a COTO item while forgetting they are PvP - A blanket protection exists for cash purchases over COTOs that were bought with cash. The problem with this is explained in the post you quoted.
     
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    It's not all bad...
    #imasheep

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    Not a problem if you're in SPO.
     
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    And neither when you are not pvp flagged.


    Now the next question is whether COTO-bought equipments have max durability loss or not.
     
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    How about rewards (like our cloaks and other wearables), do they take max durability hits?
     
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    well then you're fair game.
    makes perfect sense, if you bought something with cash, Port protects it for you. if you bought it in game, it's fair game. COTO can be acquired in game very easily, in fact, most of the time they are cheaper than purchasing them with cash. so port isn't getting dev funds from them. It makes sense that if you're not getting items with cash from Port, you're not getting the same protections.
     
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    rewards do not take max durability hits.
     
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    Just to verify, you're saying that buying COTOs with cash forfeits all protection on any item bought with those COTOs?
     
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    It should, yes, since you can be buying these COTOs with in game gold, or trading items in game for them, then turn around and get those addon store items with COTO. Likewise you could sell those COTO to someone else igg, who will then buy these addon store items.

    I'm not sure what the exchange rate is for the same items when you're buying them w/ COTO vs add on store cash, but buying with cash may cost more and therefore give you better protections. And it puts money directly into Port's dev budget.

    So yes, I'm saying that, and there is good reason for it.
     
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    COTOs dropped in game by mobs are reported as having an in game value greater than zero - this is what makes in-game COTOs at risk. Unless something has changed, pledge COTOs, bundle COTOs, and add-on store COTOs are always protected regardless of how many times they change hands in game.
     
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    you missed the discussion completely, we;re talking about buying addon store items with coto (regardless which coto) and those items not having theft/pvp protections.

    of course anything you find in game should not have any protections on it
     
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    belay my last - just passing through :)
     
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    hmm i do not understand this .
    i bought a elder elfen fighter armor from a player vendor .
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    you can see thy are value 0 just like my founders shield .
    according to the info i read here thy shoud not be protectid and can be lootid in pvp .
    shoud thy then not have a gold value if i tooltip them it says no value ( in red ) .
    otherwise for howmuch will thy ransom it ?
     
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    Not to take another poke at the way things were done in UO, but shouldn't things from the Add-On store be labeled "Blessed", "Protected", or something similar? Just seems a simple way to differentiate between items purchased through the store and in game.

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    You purchased a set of Elven armor that was first purchased through the add-on store and then put up for sale in game. Had you used COTO to purchase that same exact armor from the Vertas COTO Merchant in game, your armor would have a value greater than zero and would be at risk.

    Players can sell and trade whatever they like - protection status is determined by how you make a purchase from Portalarium. Buy with cash in the add-on store - the item is protected forever. Buy with COTO from an official COTO Merchant in game, your item is at risk and can be permanently lost.
     
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    guese i just got lucky then .
     
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    So what of people who use the exact same amount of gold to buy the add-on store item instead of the COTOs? Then the addon store item maintains it's protection. I would also argue that the protection shouldn't be:
    Was it earned in game? If yes, then at risk.

    It should be more along the lines of:
    Did it cost someone real money? If yes, then protected.

    You don't want someone who earned the item through game play, via someone else purchasing it to be more at risk than someone who bought said item. In other words, cash spending players should not have less risk than non-cash spending players if the money left someone's wallet in the first place.
     
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    Seems like PVP participation has much more to lose than to gain.
     
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    Don t forget, if someone loses an item in PVP, that means that someone else gained it. Yes you can risk losing an item, but you also risk gaining one (or the ransom associated to it). It s all risk vs reward vs the fun you re having. A balance between the three. Players who are in pvp will need to be smart with what they are carrying on them.
     
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