Banning/Permissions Control List for Owners/Co-Owners

Discussion in 'Player Owned Towns' started by Tahru, Jan 16, 2015.

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Should Player Town Owners be able to Ban?

Poll closed Feb 18, 2015.
  1. I want owners to be able to ban, but not during guild wars, or in open pvp towns.

    10.7%
  2. I want to be able to ban, but just for events, then they dont have to be banned anymore.

    3.6%
  3. Banning is against the exploration of the game, and I may want to go to places where im not welcome.

    10.7%
  4. No

    39.3%
  5. Yes

    35.7%
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  1. Tahru

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    I am really concerned about invisible walls. It would be the most uninviting game play to walk to a town and the game gods prevent you from entering. It makes no sense at all.

    The world should not be for sale. I say this as the owner of 2 towns.
     
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    Consider that town owners are not likely to just randomly ban people. If someone is banned from a town I would imagine there would be a reason for it and in the grand scheme of things only very few people would ever get banned from a player town.
     
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    Agree 100%
     
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    +1 - I agree as an owner of one myself. The way I see it there should only be permissions if there is a gate/wall/fence around it. Then it would make sense. For houses... I would love keys. Keep it real! :D
     
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    I would agree, but then there would be the default option to ban everyone/white list like the lots may be. I just don't think is justified. If a player is that bad, they will be banned from the game
     
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    I have to disagree (also town owner), there is already a group of people dedicated to disrupting scheduled events and harassment. Later when that group grows there needs to be some way to prevent this. Nothing is more immersion breaking than a mob of halfwits spamming "hzkdgfzhbvvhbzvubzhb" to prevent conversation and summoning piles of pets in your event area.
     
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    Ever been to a political convention? There are other ways to solve problems than to destroy the game. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. These POTS are going to be everywhere you turn.
     
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    I would normally side on realism but when we're talking about misbehaving players and what is essentially private property.. then I have to side with giving the town owner the option to ban. If it's YOUR town and you paid for it.. then you should have the option.
     
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    This is the friendliest game community I have ever seen, but it is often the best intentioned people that ruin it for everyone in RL
     
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    I actually have, and people screaming and carrying on were escorted from the building XD I know what you are saying and why, but i don't think you realise peoples capacity for douchebaggery in this setting.
     
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    I really don't see this as any different that house permissions. Should a house owner be allowed to ban people from their property? It's just a town is a larger scale.
     
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    I was about to post an screen shot example but it names too many names.. so i will describe it. A guild leader thought himself slighted at an event and got angry. That guild leader then set about mass recruiting new people and organising to spam, attack and disrupt the host of that event at all future events run by that player. As things are right now there is nothing that can prevent this.
     
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    Put yourself in the shoes of a new player navigating the overland map. Town after town denied you access. You don't know why... It is very likely you will draw the conclusion that this is an elitists game and walk away sad that you wasted your money.


    I am not and will not invest in such a game.

    I have always viewed a POT as an opportunity to make a positive mark on a game that will outlive my contribution to it. People should not take the idea of ownership to seriously. What is a game without players?
     
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    Yes i understand this, but why would that player be on the blacklist and denied access? Also some people have purchased small towns with the intention of making them private guild areas. I just think the pro outweigh the con for a ban option here.
     
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    Rather than a server based ban, make it more immersive game based ban. The guards refuse to let them have access to the town and if they come in anyway the guards attack... and if they fight back and kill the guards let that go on their karma record or give them a murder count on the criminal/murder system (which I hope they add).

    I have no problem with a magical property barrier that can ban a person from our house. I'm fine with that, but a magical banning of people from a city is a bit much. Let there be a confrontation at the gates of the town to keep this world feeling real.
     
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    White list banning. They look to be doing it for lots right now.
     
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    Do you really think a large number of town owners are going to have invite only access? Most people aren't going to invest in a town and then just not allow anyone in. I can only imagine most towns want visitors but nobody wants people coming in with the expressed purpose of ruining other's enjoyment of the game.

    You could also say any towns with a universal ban don't appear on the map at all.
     
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    Oh.. i am not overly keen on a whitelist ... i was arguing for a blacklist.
     
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    Even the private guild areas shouldn't be a magical barrier that blocks people out of the town. Tell me how it will ruin the lives of a guild if a rogue manages to sneak past the guards and actually enter their town? If anything it adds realism. If such a person is spotted they should be allowed to call out to the /guards and the guards should come and attack the criminal for violating local laws. While most players will be stopped at the gate to show proof of guild membership or have the password, if they aren't welcome and still try to enter the guards attack. Killing guards gives you a murder count and you get the reputation as a murderer.
     
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    I never mentioned a magic barrier, making them on the hitlist for guards is what i want.
     
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