Banning/Permissions Control List for Owners/Co-Owners

So what problem do you have with people spending money and entitlements really Tahru. Do you get access to the lord of the manor mansions if they block you out. it cost them at least 10 grand (if they bought during the 15% discount) to get this. Should you be able to force your way into thier home? This is why your socialistic views are failing, because you refuse to accept property rights. Where as if I am denied property rights why would I even buy property.

 

I have an issue will people thinking they are entitled to what they never were. in reality, if you want to really own a game the price tag is more like a $100,000. I paid more into this game than most, but I am not feeling entitled to anything more than a really good game.

 

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What do you mean what they never where, and price is not relevant, its the idea of it. If you buy something you own it, regardless of price. Did I "BUY" a Cross Roads Village from the store for an established "PRICE". Yes I did I do believe. Its a contract that I gave money for a said item. For you to say that one does not really own this is wrong. I of course do not own the whole game, just a couple pixels in it, and you inflating the argument to that aspect is wrong also.

 

The fact remains that banning is not an entitlement. People read way too much into some words. They should have been more careful with the term ownership The term "don't lawyer me bro" applies here. At this point, I am finished with this because it is already going to be the way it should be.

 

I disagree, you can ban from your house, which is basically the same fundamentally as a player town, if one was to look at it from a side by side comparison. And things change Tahru, so don't be counting chickens before they hatch

 

More power to you my friend. Even if I disagree, I respect you and your right to have a voice.

 

I wish the TOS and EULA were accessible via the web. There was a link to it in-game during login, but it appeared to be broken for me. Anyone know where it is online, if it even is?

Its been a couple months since I read them but if I recall correctly there is no assumption of ownership for virtual assests. You're welcome to see it differently but it becomes a legal matter at that point.

I don't have any such assumptions about owning virtual assests. Instead I view 'ownership' as a term to describe the Avatars relationship with lots and POTs, and whether or not banning is allowed comes down to if it's best for overall game play of many people, and not whether or not it meets the desire of the individual who ' owns' the lot, or POT.

 

Unless you can post these TOS then your point is an assumption also. Just saying. And your view is an opinion also. Everyone has opinions.

 

Not to nitpick, but my comment about the TOS is not an assumption or an opinion. It's a matter of whether my memory is correct that somewhere in it, it reads that there is no implied ownership. I could very well recall incorrectly. I don't have the TOS to link. I made a post a few months ago about it needing to be accessible via the web. It's available in-game after login, but I don't know how to re-activate it without reinstalling. And I'm not about to do that just for the sake of this discussion. I read both in their entirety and got what I needed out of it at the time.

The rest of my comment about my view/interpretation of 'ownership' and game play is an opinion.

 

Ok, IF what you say is true, and any in game real estate is not owned by the player, but by portalarium instead, then there are going to be many upset people who are going to try to sell these properties that they do not own. Can people not sell their properties on line then? I am not going to do this but it even becons the assumption that people cannot charge rent for properties because they do not own it (real money). All rent would go to portalarium.

 

I am pretty sure I read that POT's will be transferable.

 

yep, I did too. Now how can you transfer something you do not own? I was refering to his statement on this "no assumption of ownership for virtual assests"

 

in transferring, you are transferring control over the lots. Why else would anyone buy an already designed town?

 

It has been standard practice for game developers and even software designers to specify that consumers are only purchasing the rights to use their product. I don't need the ToS linked to believe that. In this situation, we are selling/buying rights to whatever features Portalarium decides to give us regarding PoTs.

 

You are purposly avoiding the words when you purchase the town I believe. I have posted them above twice now. And I will a Third time if you some how missed it.

"Have you ever wanted to own an entire scene? Now you can!" taken from the Shroud of the Avatar official website here: https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?page_id=41907

It says nothing about just the ability to transfer lots. It says ownership of the entire scene, not just the lots, but the entire scene.

 

as with anything sir I would love to read them, we all know about assumptions

 

Try to take any of the digital assets you have purchased out of the context of the game world and use it for your own purposes. See how that works for you.

 

I am not avoiding anything as my definition of "own" in the context does not imply what you have suggested. It is very ambiguous. In RL, you can own a house and own the land it sits on but not own what is in the ground below it. in a HOA controlled community, you can own a home and land and still not have the right to do what you want with it. In the city, you can own a home and have a party, but you cannot turn the stereo all the way up. Even companies can own amphitheaters, but cannot have a show whenever they want... the list goes on and on.

 

Thanks for the snarky remark Solstar. I did do some research and looked through the TOS and did find this to support Tarsins case. So I concede without shame on this point In addition to the last sentence, please look at the other highlighted sentence, talking about one time non transferable, revokable license.

Virtual Goods, Currencies, and Purchase Terms
Purchases of any virtual currency or virtual items sold by Portalarium are purchases of a limited, non-transferable, revocable license. The license may be terminated immediately if your account is terminated for any reason, in Portalarium's sole and absolute discretion, or if Portalarium discontinues providing the Services.
You agree that all purchases of virtual currency or virtual items sold on our site are final No refunds will be given, except in our sole and absolute discretion. You agree that virtual currency or other virtual items will be forfeited if your account is terminated for any reason, in Portalarium's sole and absolute discretion, at Facebook’s sole and absolute discretion, or if Portalarium discontinues providing the services on the site. You agree that the purchase of virtual currency or virtual items sold on the site is the purchase of a limited license and that you have no property interest in the virtual currency or virtual items.