Alright, so this discussion is mostly me trying to figure out where you all get your character stats from. The reason I'm wondering this so much is because I hear people like @Barugon saying he gets nearly as many stat points as me with crown store gear, or @Girlsname saying he gets nearly a total of 700 stat points with crappy gear, meanwhile I invest SO MUCH into gear (as Elrond...) and I feel like I'm missing out on some. If enough people bring their input, this could become the official thread for Stat points in game, so please, help us out here! I'm going to divide this thread into 3 sections, one for each stat (Strength, Dexterity, Intelligence), and divide each into 4 parts (Blessings/Buffs, Skills*/Innates*, Consumables, Gear**). If you feel like I'm missing something, feel free and I will add it. *I will show skills with their total stat points for levels 80/100/120 *Gear will simply show an average number of points rounded down, using affordable gear I find on vendors. for artifacts, only the Best In Slot will be marked, at it's Uncommon tier. Strength Blessings/Buffs Courage Devotional : +5 Strength I don't know of other blessings or game given buffs for strength Skills/Innates Train Strength (Innate) : 40/50/60 Endurance (Innate) : 10/12.5/15 Bulwark of Earth (Innate) : 10/12.5/15 Sun Worship (Innate) : 8/10/12 Breaker (Innate) : 20/25/30 Inner Strength (Skill) : 18/20/22 Strength of Earth (Skill) : Average 30+ (since Attunement and charging change the outcome)(38.5 or more if paired with a Str of Earth Chest piece) Berserkers Stance (Skill) : 36/40/44 Consumables Troll Ribs : +10 Potion of Might : +15 Gear Nefario Hood : +20 Ring of Brittle Brawn : +40 Backslot : +20 Chest : +15 Legs : +15 Boots : +10 Gloves : +10 Helm : +10 Weapon : +15 Rings & Necklances : + If fully invested into Strength (skills at 100, BIS Gear, no Earth Spec, Heavy Armor (-32.5 Bludgeon weapon (-25 if other weapons)), The average Strength should be around 384. Now without gear, the total Strength should be of 176. Dexterity Blessings/Buffs Love Devotional : +5 Blessing of Agility : +30 Skills/Innates Train Dexterity : 40/50/60 Moon Worship : 8/10/12 Air's Embrace : Average 30+ (since Attunement and charging change the outcome) Consumables Wolf Food : +5 Potion of Deftness : +15 Gear Temna Hood : +20 Necklace of Cautious Precision : +20 Gamblers Ring : +10 Backslot : +20 Chest : +15 Legs : +15 Boots : +10 Gloves : +10 Helm : +10 Weapon : +15 Rings & Necklances : + If fully invested into Dexterity (skills at 100, BIS Gear, no Air Spec), The average Dexterity should be around 280. Now without gear, the total Dexterity should be of 145. Intelligence Blessings/Buffs Blessing of Truth : +5 Skills/Innates Train Intelligence : 40/50/60 Enlightenment : Average 30+ (since Attunement and charging change the outcome) Consumables Fish Food? : +5 (Highest tier rare fish) Potion of Acumen : +15 Gear Dolus Hood : +20 Sages Sash : +20 Ring of Wisdom : +20 Fire&Air Wands : +10 Warlocks Chain : +15 Backslot : +20 Chest : +15 Legs : +15 Boots : +10 Gloves : +10 Helm : +10 Weapon : +15 Rings & Necklances : + If fully invested into Intelligence (skills at 100, BIS Gear, no Sun Spec), The average Intelligence should be around 270. Now without gear, the total Intelligence should be of 105. Obviously, numbers can go higher (Crafters can bump the crafted gears numbers a bit higher, they can enchant artifacts, Skills can be raised past 100, some Artifacts can be upgraded), but these numbers should show what a Casual can aim for. I don't know if I am missing anything, and if so, please let me know as I would like to get a full list for this! Thank you!