Disappointing about SotA's Banning Player Procedure 對官方鎖玩家過程的失望

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  1. LEO Doppelganger

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    大家好.我是LEO Doppelganger
    請原諒我的英文不好.
    對你們來說我只是一個微不足道的玩家.
    但我有一些重要的事想對大家說.
    我是一位由UO 開始接觸ONLINE GAME 的玩家.
    UO 帶給我很多樂趣.雖然只有短短的七年.但卻十分開心.
    當知道Lord British 再次執導遊戲時.真的十分雀躍.
    我是在R29 加入的.至今不間斷玩到R41.正在期待新的改版.
    但可惜是.前數天我收到通知我給封了帳號.原因是使用外掛和漏泂
    .我曾試著去盡力想起自己有做過什麼違規的事.我也有主動聯絡官方.
    希望找出原因.但卻未能得到回答.有些時候如果真的犯了錯.我是勇於接受後果.
    但當自己連發生什麼事也不清楚時.也沒有警告.我真的不能接受.
    有朋友問我是否感到憤怒.但說真的.比起憤怒.我更感到傷心.
    一個親手育成的角色,如同自己的分身.在不知明的情況下.
    給封鎖了.完全沒預知沒警告沒原因.而這我重來沒想過會發生在自己身上.
    因為我一直堅持不用外掛去遊玩.這也是對制作者的尊重.也是出於對遊戲愛的表現.

    而今次最主要發這文章的原因.不是只有抱怨.
    而是希望引起各喜愛SOTA的玩家關注.
    希望官方人員能對指犯了漏洞和外掛的玩家作出詳細確實的舉證提供證明
    我相信玩家能接受嚴格處罰,但是也要有相應的解釋.
    對犯了錯的玩家詳細說明.
    作出指引.而不是只用外掛和漏洞做一個理由.
    如果官方能清楚的舉證與事發地點
    將能做到以下的好處.
    1,能更好起到警告作用.
    2.讓玩家留恴到自己是不是在使用漏泂.
    3.讓玩家不要再踏著灰色地帶.
    4.不用給封了也不明白為什麼.
    5.大家能玩的更放心.
    我再重申一次.我並不知道自己的帳號能不能拿回來.
    就算拿回來了.在不知明的情況下給封了.我也只能擔心自己那時不知會因什麼原因再給封掉.
    這情況很打擊用心愛這sota 的玩家.
    我發這文章只希望官方能改善這做法.
    我不想再有喜愛sota 的玩家和朋友不會再受到傷害
    也不會身邊的朋友莫名給封了.提心跳膽在遊戲.
    最後謝謝大家耐心看完全文.
    我是LEO Doppelganger
    這可能是我第一次也是最後一次發文.
    希望大家能繼續在SOTA 開心生活.
     
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  2. pzehbl

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    希望官方給予這個案例一個合適的答覆 , 聽到朋友發生這樣的事情真的讓人很震驚與擔憂

    我們都相信SOTA不會沒原因就隨意BAN帳號 , 但是玩家們 - 特別是做為長期的使用者 , 也應該得到她合理的訴求

    我不預設我的立場 , LEO是否真的犯錯了 , 我也不知道

    如果LEO真的做錯了 , 那麼請SOTA的開發組人員們清楚的舉證為什麼LEO錯了, 在哪裡做了什麼動作或是什麼樣子的判定 , 讓你們認定LEO應該被BAN , 如果這個舉證是符合事實並且正確的 , 大家會欣然接受並且之後互相告知不要再犯相同的錯誤

    如果LEO實際上沒有錯 , 那麼SOTA的開發組人員們也可以從這次錯誤的判斷中找出原因 , 這對之後的遊戲上市與新進玩家都有直接並且好的影響

    我想這個訴求應該是合理並且理性的 , 希望SOTA的開發小組人員能盡快回覆
     
  3. 2112Starman

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    Translated:

    Hello everybody, I'm LEO Doppelganger
    Please forgive my English is not good.
    For you I'm just a trivial player.
    But I have something important to say to everyone.
    I am a player who starts contact with ONLINE GAME by UO.
    UO brought me a lot of fun, although only a short seven years, but very happy.
    When you know that Lord British re-directed the game, it was really a pleasure.
    I am in R29 to join. So far uninterrupted play to R41. Is looking forward to the new revision.
    But unfortunately, a few days ago I received a notice to the closure of the account number. The reason is the use of plug-in and leakage
    I have tried to think about what I have done to do something wrong and I have the initiative to contact the official.
    Hope to find out the reason, but can not get the answer. Sometimes if you really made a mistake, I was the courage to accept the consequences.
    But when he was not even what happened when there is no warning. I really can not accept.
    A friend asked me if I felt angry, but it was true.
    A hand-bred role, like their own avatar. In the case of unknown.
    I did not expect to happen to myself.
    Because I have always insisted on no plug to play, which is respect for the producers, but also out of the performance of the game love.

    And this is the most important reason to send this article. Not only complain.
    But hope to cause the players concerned about the SOTA attention.
    Hope that the official staff can be made on the loopholes and plug the players to make a detailed proof of proof to provide proof
    I believe that players can accept strict penalties, but also have a corresponding explanation.
    Made a detailed description of the wrong players.
    Make a guide, not just plugin and loopholes.
    If the official can clear the evidence and the location of the incident
    Will be able to do the following benefits.
    1, can better play a warning role.
    2. Let the player stay to their own is not in the use of leakage 泂.
    3. let the players do not marching gray area.
    4. Do not give the closure and do not understand why.
    5. We can play more at ease.
    I do not know my account can not get back.
    Even if you get back in the case of unknown to the closure of the I can only worry about their own when I do not know why the reasons for the closure of the closure.
    This is a very serious player who loves this sota.
    I only hope that this article can improve this practice.
    I do not want to have any more favorite sota players and friends will not be hurt again
    And will not be friends around inexplicable to the closure of the heart jump in the game.
    Finally, thank you for the patience to read the full text.
    I'm LEO Doppelganger
    This may be my first and last time.
    Hope that we can continue to live in the SOTA happy.
     
  4. TeddyMIT

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    Official convenient to read, I simply shows that he is content with the above requirements...

    Could SotA officials always give us a detail reason when banning a player who is suspecting of Exploiting? (where/time/how to use it)
    I don't know if players from other countries can accept this situation in which SotA officials always ban some suspicious players without giving them a detail reason.
    However, Chinese players won't accept this at all.
    The official will ask the player to return BUG need to give the correct 4W and 1H.
    Then we hope that the official in the punishment of players also provide 1W / 1T / and 1H.
    I am very strict on my union control, guild members that do not use the plug-in game I absolutely believe.
    But for he has not used to loopholes we can not be sure.
    We only want the official to give a compelling answer.
    Even if the last can not get back account does not matter.

    At least let our players know that the game is safe and does not need to doubt.
    Thank you.
     
  5. Sebastion2

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    太可惜了。玩了那么久,连一点理由都不给就把账号给封了?
     
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    When you get a Ban you will be sent an email - in that email there should be a clearly stated reason why the account was banned.
    If that email didn't include enough information then your next course of action is to contact
    support@portalarium.com

    If support also didn't give you enough information as to the nature behind why your account was banned then you might want to send a PM to @Berek who is the community manager, in that PM include the reference numbers etc from the emails.

    If you want a second opinion on the translation/interpretation of those emails then please feel free to PM them to me (do not post them here).


    Best of luck
     
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  7. LEO Doppelganger

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    Thank you for Translated
     
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    Hi LEO,
    As @Spoon said (thank you), we should have sent you an email to follow-up on customer support actions or concerns. Please contact us at support@portalarium.com and we will be glad to help you out!
     
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    I've been playing the game for 18 months now, this is a topic that has not been discussed a lot. I think the devs have done a good job banning exploiters and it they have, from what I have heard from them, there is probably a good reason why they did.

    But you can contact them by email and plead your case.
     
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    很遺憾的是他已經嘗試過你上述所說的
    但是沒有得到任何答覆才會在這邊發文
    我們想要的只是發生時間/地點/官方所說的使用外掛或漏洞的證據或方法
    如此一來只要符合事實帳號永遠被封鎖我們也接受
    我們並不願意造成多餘的困擾
    只是希望在這部分處理上能更透明化
     
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  11. LEO Doppelganger

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    Thank you @Spoon

    Hello @Berek.
    i had send email to support@portalarium.com already. 18/5, 21:37 case#100113
    and i not get any email account was banned
     
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    Will check on it! You can also respond to the email if you feel it was too long of a wait.
     
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    This is another Translated original text.
    I saw someone already translated it before me. But I found the other already translated text after I finished mine.
    I just posted my translation for your reference only.
    Hope that it better helps to understand the actual situation of our player.

    大家好.我是LEO Doppelganger
    Hi Eveyone! I am LEO Doppelganger

    請原諒我的英文不好.
    Please pardon for my poor English.

    對你們來說我只是一個微不足道的玩家.
    From what you see, I am just an unimportant player.

    但我有一些重要的事想對大家說.
    However, I have something important to tell you.

    我是一位由UO 開始接觸ONLINE GAME 的玩家.
    I have started to play Online game since I played UO.

    UO 帶給我很多樂趣.雖然只有短短的七年.但卻十分開心.
    UO brought a lot of pleasure to me. Although my playing time is only just seven years, I felt really happy.

    當知道Lord British 再次執導遊戲時.真的十分雀躍.
    When I knew that Lord British was back to create a new game -- SotA, I was really excited.

    我是在R29 加入的.至今不間斷玩到R41.正在期待新的改版.
    I joined SotA since R29, I had been playing this game until R41 before being banned. At that time, I was looking forward to the new Release – R42.

    但可惜是.前數天我收到通知我給封了帳號.原因是使用外掛和漏泂
    Nevertheless, I got a banning game account notice from SotA official a few days ago and the reason was botting and exploiting.

    .我曾試著去盡力想起自己有做過什麼違規的事.我也有主動聯絡官方.
    I tried hard to recall what I had done wrong and I also contacted our game official.

    希望找出原因.但卻未能得到回答.有些時候如果真的犯了錯.我是勇於接受後果.
    I hoped to find out the detail reason why I was banned. However, I got no answer at all. If I really do something wrong, I will be brave enough to accept the aftermath.

    但當自己連發生什麼事也不清楚時.也沒有警告.我真的不能接受.
    However, I couldn't accept this when I didn't know what had happened and with no warning at all.

    有朋友問我是否感到憤怒.但說真的.比起憤怒.我更感到傷心.
    My friends asked me whether I was angry at all. To be frank, apart from fury, I felt even more sad.

    一個親手育成的角成,如同自己的分身.在不知明的情況下.
    給封鎖了.完全沒預知沒警告沒原因.而這我重來沒想過會發生在自己身上.
    因為我一直堅持不用外掛去遊玩.這也是對制作者的尊重.也是出於對遊戲愛的表現.
    I conceived my own avatar ingame. It was just like myself. And, under unknown situation, my account was banned. No foretold, no warning and no reason. I have never thought of this being happened on me. I insisted not to use any Macros or any illegal external software to play this game. This was the way I respected the game producer. And also, this showed my love to this game.

    而今次最主要發這文章的原因.不是只有抱怨.
    The reason why I am posting this article is not only condemnation.

    而是希望引起各喜愛SOTA的玩家關注.
    Instead, I wish our passionate SotA players to pay attention to this situation.

    希望官方人員能對指犯了漏洞和外掛的玩家作出詳細確實的舉證提供證明
    I hope that our game officials can give the being banned player a detail explanation and also provide some concrete evidences.

    我相信玩家能接受嚴格處罰,但是也要有相應的解釋. 對犯了錯的玩家詳細說明作出指引.而不是只用外掛和漏洞做一個理由.
    I believe that our players can accept harsh penalty. However, you must give us a corresponding detail explanation. And not just telling the banned player with a simple statement – "I regret to inform you that you have been permanently banned from Shroud of the Avatar for botting and exploits ".

    如果官方能清楚的舉證與事發地點
    將能做到以下的好處.
    If our game officials can provide us with concrete reasons and where the illegal behavior was taken place.

    1,能更好起到警告作用.
    1. Will be able to better alert our players.

    2.讓玩家留恴到自己是不是在使用漏泂.
    2. Let our players know whether he/she is exploiting for some behaviors.

    3.讓玩家不要再踏著灰色地帶.
    3. So that no one will go into this grey area again.

    4.不用給封了也不明白為什麼.
    4. Without not understanding why he/she is banned.

    5.大家能玩的更放心.
    5.We can play SotA with ease.


    我再重申一次.我並不知道自己的帳號能不能拿回來.
    I repeat that I don't know whether I can get back my banned accounts or not.

    就算拿回來了.在不知明的情況下給封了.我也只能擔心自己那時不知會因什麼原因再給封掉.
    Even if I can get my account back, I can only play the game while worrying when I will be banned again at the same time.

    這情況很打擊用心愛這sota 的玩家.
    This really hurts our passionate SotA players.

    我發這文章只希望官方能改善這做法.
    My article is hoping our game official to improve their banning procedure.

    我不想再有喜愛sota 的玩家和朋友不會再受到傷害
    I don't want to see our passionate player or friends being hurt by this unjustice banning procedure again.

    也不會身邊的朋友莫名給封了.提心跳膽在遊戲.
    Also, I don't want my friend to be banned without even knowing what have happened and can only play our game nervously.

    最後謝謝大家耐心看完全文.
    At last, I appreciate everyone who read this article patiently.

    我是LEO Doppelganger
    I am LEO Doppelganger

    這可能是我第一次也是最後一次發文.
    This is my first Post in the Forum and may also be the last one.

    希望大家能繼續在SOTA 開心生活.
    I hope that everyone can continue your happy life in SotA.
     
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    I have a friend who is a regular Hospital General Assistant. He was accused of being botting and exploiting the game several months ago. And he lost several account which worth over thousands of US dollar in total. He has already given up the hope to get back his game accounts. Just using your common sense, can a regular Hospital Genera Assistant be able to have the ability to do something like botting and exploiting. My friend is just a laymen in computer but he was accused of something that he knows nothing. I think the Banning system of our game must be flawed in some way. Hope that the game officials fix the problem. Thanks!
     
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    There are always two sides to every story.

    It's usually best for communications to take place between the player and customer support, because none of us has concrete information.

    If OP was banned in error, I hope he can get things worked out with Portalarium and continue playing!

    Probably best for Berek to lock, since discussing bans may be a forum rule no-no.
     
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    Thanks everyone for trying to help here. We do our sincere best to communicate with players on all these moderation concerns. We will look into any communication from the OP sent to us! It's possible it was a mistake on our part with how we track and identify bots and other programs players sometimes end up using.
     
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