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Game breaker...lot deed cost @spoon

Discussion in 'Release 51 Feedback Forum' started by hearsehauler, Feb 27, 2018.

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    Alternative 15: a year later after the OP has abandoned the thread and owns half of the Isle of Storms Rocketport, poster 15 from xkcd necro reZes the the thread upon not finding any housing. Episode 2 launches the next day....
     
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    Correct me if this has changed, but hasn't the Lot Deed Raffles been suspended? This, to my knowledge, currently isn't an option to get a lot deed.
     
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    supposed to restart with 52
     
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    buuut.... housing IS instanced, essentially. There are POTs inside other POTs that don't exist on the world map. ;)

    They can add more and more and more and
     
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    Maybe we need another term, like POTception.
     
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    Housing is concerning houses. Town are instancied. Houses are not. Small difference with words. Big difference in game.
     
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    Random thoughts since people here are going all over the place with this in the thread,

    - Yes, housing was planned to be limited; its not interpretable. The devs said something like they wanted a certain percentage of players to own lots, and would expand housing as needed to meet that percentage. But there would always be less available lots than players in the game.

    - Even still, the idea was that anyone who wanted a home could probably get one with patience and planning, since they didn't expect everyone would own a home.

    - The Kickstarter specifically sold tax-free deeds; which meant that everyone knew there would be more housing than could be filled by the tax-free deeds, and thus housing wouldn't be limited by what was offered at Kickstarter.

    - Some way to get those extra taxed deeds in game without going through other players, like the raffle system, was planned from the start. The raffle system fulfilled what they were talking about from the start. Some players have said the raffle is a kind of betrayal; that's not accurate.

    - Yes, nested POTs are basically a form of instanced housing. There's a difference between an instanced house, where entering you pass in a different instance, and instanced housing lots, which is what they have. My understanding was they wanted neither, since they compared to other MMOs as a counterexample. LOTRO when I played years ago for instance had instanced housing lots, and it removes meaning from housing in the game, as your house is not tied to a specific place with a specific meaning to the public side of the game, its just a private hideaway. The devs wanted owning a home to be meaningful.

    - Nested POTs (aside from maybe underground ones, etc) were always a bad idea from a gameplay perspective IMO; the devs went with it from my POV anyway for largely fundraising purposes, sicnce many wanted them and would pay for them.

    - There was a Players Take Over The World stretch goal, which meant sonething like POTs might be in store, even if more limited than it turned out.

    - Hopefully, we'll have more players than POT lots available in any case if the game is succesful, simply because success brings players.

    - I don't know the current market too well, but you could probably buy a taxed row deed from another player at less than 300k gold. While it sounds a lot, there have been places in the game where you could earn that in a month by playing for an hour a day and selling your junk to NPC merchants. You earn more by selling to other players. Sure, most nobody likes grinding; but this is expected. I recently bought a new tax-free row with gold I earned in game through playing.

    - The raffle is actually a pretty democratic system, because players only interested in resale won't put in close to the gold value of deeds, since it won't be worth it to them to risk. So if you really want to get a deed without going through other players, and are willing to risk some gold, you can do it that way, too. Raffles restart R52, next release. The devs intended the raffle to be a better system than buying directlt from merchants, because then big guilds would eat up the deeds.

    - They ended up doing this anyway with COTO merchants. But at least COTOs are not easily obtainable without cash. You can still earn them as a player, either by finding them in loot, or buying them from other players with gold.

    - That players have to be involved in the game to place housing is a good thing. You want shops and homes to be attended, cared for.

    - A lot of guilds offer free housing in POTs, and this is one good use of the rental system. In the past, some guilds have given out deeds. But instead of handing out free deeds to players they don't know, guilds can now set up lots with deeds and let someone live there for zero gold in rent. Seek out a guild with a POT.

    - Being involved in a guild is another path to being involved in the game, and free housing through guild membership keeps housing meaningful.

    - Other players will obviously use the rent system in different ways, and ask for gold. In such a case, it may just be the player has to pay taxes on the lot himself.

    - The only part of the costs involved in home ownership that's kind of bugged me, as I've mentioned, is taxes. In theory, it makes sense, because it keepsplayer involvemebt, and the devs have said that they expect larger lots to be maintained by guilds who can better maintain ownership. But I've personally found it makes more sense for me for any lot size to save up gold for a tax-free deed than dump all my efforts grinding in the game into the black hole of monthly taxes, or rely on coordination with other players, which we don't have good tools for in the game right now.

    - In any case, if you're a player just looking for a smaller sized lot to make your personal home, you can easily manage the taxes, and have the row taxes entirely paid by free money you get in game daily. Once you have a lot set up, you can place a vendor and start earning money that way, too. Until then, you can use public vendors or guild vendors. But its also a good example of how adding value to the lot for other players in the game lets you maintain it easier. Again, rewarding player involvement.

    - And again, rewarding player involvement is good, and a good solid basis for the housing system.

    - If you're a new player, happy home hunting!
     
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    One other thing that has not been discussed in awhile: Can you buy a Pot in game with gold, with the understanding it would be taxed?
     
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    Agree to disagree.
     
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    Wait, wut, you can buy POT's in game?
     
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    Not sure, but you used to be able to. Just wondering if you can now.
     
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    Yes I know it was and I understand why it was at that time and even now it helps to give players a goal and a challenge to obtain housing and work that out for themselves. It is Choices. I am really for that. I just want those choices presented in a way so players know what is needed and what to expect in a way that does not make it seem so hopeless if they are not going to spend real cash for it. I am not against this part and if it came on like I was that is my bad.
     
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    Which is why the US average net worth per citizen is $388,585.00 while the socialist nation with the highest per citizen net worth (China) is $26,872.00 (per Credit Suisse 2017 study). The KS backers funded this game, expecting limited land. Ready the 'land rush' articles about what we all paid to get land in Novia.

    We deserve to have it limited, special and amazing. You can be any level without a house. You can get skills and GM's without limit without a house. But you cannot get a house without a deed, which the KS backers paid real money to have.
     
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    Only if another player sells you their POT for gold.
     
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    It was supposed to be similar to housing itself, where there was supposed to be an in-game way to acquire/found a POT...
     
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    Really? Should we eat cake too?
     
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    Only if it fits in your budget....
     
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