Greagoir Pendragons Guide to GM Taming and other taming skills - R54 updated

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  1. Duke Gréagóir

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    Welcome to the world of taming animals in Shroud of the Avatar! I am excited about this and I hope you will be too.

    My goal is hoping this helps someone think about taming as a career path in SotA. I really like having a pet battle along side of me while I am adventuring. With the Release 51 introduction of Specializations, I think it now can be.

    The path was not easy and I learned a lot about how to tame and I wanted to share this with you. I am still learning and made decisions to be able to GM my taming skills. I am not one who mows down opponents fast with Area of Effect spells or high level blades skills. I am a Druid who uses some spells and a staff. I made the choice to focus more on taming as I have loved taming creatures since early Ultima Online.

    Here is my current skills, I have GMed all 10 taming skills (all are at least 100 each):

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    Making your Taming tools
    I found these recipes in the NPC town of Ardoris (Take the Lunar Rift to Solace Bridge, exit to the Overland Map and go south). Travel to the Market area and go to the Equipment Building (the sign says Equipment) and see the General Merchant Doris Jeanette. She have 4 recipes you need:
    - Animal Collar = 2 strap, 1 Metal Binding (Tailoring 10 level)
    - Animal Whistle = 1 wooden pole, 1 wooden rasp (Carpentry 1 level)
    - Taming Collar = 1 Animal Collar, 1 Silver Ingot (Alchemy 20 level)
    - Taming Whistle (aka Summoning Whistle Necklace) = 1 Animal Whistle, 2 Silver Ingot (Alchemy 30 level)

    Here is a video that covers all of the taming skills and pet commands:


    How to tame a creature:
    1) You make or buy a Taming Collar and a Taming Whistle. Put the taming whistle in your Necklace slot before you try a taming attempt. The taming collar needs to be in your backpack.
    2) On your combat toolbar put the skill Tame Creature so you can press it while being attacked. Most animals will attack you while you tame them.
    3) Find a creature and go into combat mode.
    4) Many tamers say it will be easier to tame if you reduce the hit points of the target creature by 50%, once that is achieved you want to disarm your weapon.
    5) Press the Tame Creature button on your combat toolbar and you will see if you tame the creature or not.
    6) If you are successful, the target creature will disappear into the taming whistle. If not, it will still be attacking you. Try again.

    This is what I tamed and when for Tame Creature gains:
    0 - 20 = I took the Path of Love so I started out with 20 skill points. If you did not start with 20 then, Rabbits , dogs, pigs, does, foals, and chickens are good to tame at this level. These creatures are found in wooded areas or even towns (dogs).
    20 - 40 = Large Corpions and desert wolves. These are found in desert areas.
    40 - 60 = Large Arctic Wolves *if you start successful taming a lot and using up collars, then start taming Large Polar Bears. You can also tame: Brown Spider, Crocodile, and Timber Wolves.
    60 - 80 = Large Polar Bears in snowy areas. *if you start successful taming a lot and using up collars, then start taming Bear Patriarchs. You can also tame: Large Timber Wolves, Elder Wolves, Large Brown Spiders, and Red Spiders.
    80 - 100 = Bear Patriarchs in wooded areas. You can also tame: Large Grizzly Bears, Obsidian Stags, Large Polar Bears and Large Red Spiders.
    100+ = Obsidian Bears from any wooded area.

    Animal Types
    Each animal type has a special ability.
    - Corpions have Poison
    - Wolves have speed of attack, I think.
    - Crocodiles have Knockdown
    - Spiders have Web and Poison
    - Bears have Knockback and Knockdown
    - Boars have a stun knockback - Thanks @Perashim

    ** Fun Tip : In order to tame a Ferocious Red Spider or a Darkstarr Corpion , you have < 1% if you have a Tame Creature skill of 105. If you raise Tame Creature to 120 you will have 1%. You will want to have 120 or higher to safely tame a Ferocious Red Spider or Darkstarr Corpion . ** Thank you @Boradic Boneslasher and @Rada Torment for this information.

    Update 05/11/2018: I have tamed a Ferocious Red Spider with taming level of 121 (the spider had under 1/2 health), it took 10 tries. My advice is if you want to tame Fero Red Spiders and Darkstarr Coprions, get your tame creature to level 121.


    Large Pool of Experience
    Having a large pool of adventurer experience points is the key to quick taming level advances after level 80. I went from 99 to 100 faster than going from 98 to 99 because I had a larger adventurer experience pool. Large pool is 1 million experience points in our pool. Most adventurers will shut off all skills from gaining until they reach 1 million pooled experience points.

    You can also just use your adventurer pool of experience but you will gain at the regular rate.

    Now that you have tamed your first creature - look at my other guide on how I use my pet with my when I am adventuring and attacking targets - https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/f...-pendragons-how-to-be-a-tamer-in-sota.117064/

    Only gain in one taming skill at a time to raise it up fast:
    Once I had my experience points in check I turned every other skill all to the negative sign (-) so these abilities would not gain. So I would only be gaining in Tame Creature . This made it easier to go from 87 - 98, and 99-100). Levels 98-99 was with I had 257,781 pooled experience points left and the gains were very slow. I needed more pooled experience points to make gains faster.

    Levels 97 - 100 will go very slow. If you want to speed it up make sure you have 2-3 million experience points in your pooled xp. Even sped up it can seem like forever to raise it one level.

    Collar Recovery is very important to save your silver ingots:
    Before taming make sure your Collar Recovery is at a high level so you don't burn through taming collars. I recommend level 95 when taming Bear Patriarchs as I did not loose one collar. Keep Collar Recovery a few levels above your Tame Creature level and if you loose a collar while taming, increase the Collar Recovery another level until you don't loose anymore taming collars before taming again. To tame the highest creature you may need 105 or more in Collar Recovery.

    Use Heavy Armor while taming:
    I use plate armor while taming to help with the disruption when a tame hits you and breaks your concentration.

    Use the Root skill in the Earth tree to keep the animal you are taming in place:
    The root spell is the only spell to use to pacify aggressive animals I wanted to tame. I tried other animal spells but they made the creature untamable. Root is very tame creature friendly. The higher Root is means it could pacify the creature up to 1/2 of the total taming attempt time. If you devote your time in getting your earth attunement up to 200, your Root spell can stop the Darkstarr Corpion for 30 seconds, which is enough time to tame him.

    If you fail taming and are running for your life use the Animal Charm skill in the Moon tree:
    Use Animal Charm as a "save me before I die" type of spell. You can use this even if you have the creature's argo on you.


    Getting the other skills up:
    To get the innate skills up I mainly gained in Summoning, Resurrect Creature, and Heal Creature and had all of the taming innate skills set up to gain too (Obedience, Collar Recovery, Combat Training, Concentrating, Refresh). They gained rapidly until level 80. When I was taming I was only gaining in Tame Creature on purpose.

    The levels break down in the 90's like so you can plan better how much you xp need for this level gain. ** Taming Specialization uses a different amount of xp - see below. **
    91 = 46K xp needed to gain level
    92 = 50K xp needed to gain level
    93 = 58K xp needed to gain level
    94 = 62K xp needed to gain level
    95 = 69K xp needed to gain level
    96 = 75.5K xp needed to gain level
    97 = 82K xp needed to gain level
    98 = 91K xp needed to gain level
    99 = 99K xp needed to gain level
    100 = 110K xp needed to gain level
    100 - 105 = 672K xp needed to gain level
    106 - 110 = 906K xp needed to gain level
    110 - 121 = 4.5 million xp needed to gain level (where you can tame fero red spiders and darkstarr corpions)


    Location of the Master Taming Trainer (to unlock the highest taming glyphs)
    The location of the Master Taming Trainer is in Braemar (in the Hidden Vale) and his name is Bodan Koren. In Braemar, go to the Main Street of buildings. Behind the buildings on the west side, he is wandering around in the shadows. To get to Braemar, take the ferry to Kingsport from Brittany in Novia. Then head south west until you see it past Valemark.

    Taming Specialization skill:
    In Release 51 Taming Specialization skill was introduced. This makes my 350 hp Obsidian Bear into a 935 hp powerhouse. Well, a powerhouse when compared to him before. What the Taming Specialization does is increase the pet's Hit Points and strength of attack.

    With my Taming Specialization at level 80 my bear can survive 2-3 on one in a Tier 5 scene. He will almost be dead but as a support attacker it is more than adequate. With Taming Specialization at 99 my Obsidian Bear can handle one Tier 6 (Viking T6 guys with 900 hit points) one on one and win.

    With the Viking T6 guys above 1,000 hit points he will need my healing help and AOE spells like Meteor Shower and Ring of Fire. Your spells will draw the opponent onto you so be ready to stop healing your pet and start healing yourself while attacking with other spells or attacks.

    Taming Specialization also lets Heal Creature adds a chance to remove negative effects and Resurrect Creature will reduce reagent and focus costs.

    Taming Specialization each level 80 - 91 adds 10 hit points to your pet's health each level. Level 92 - 97 adds 5 hit points to your pet's health each level. Level 98 - 100 adds 4 hit points to your pet's health each level.

    Taming Specialization Taming Mastery levels:
    80 = 100% mastery
    90 = 112.5% mastery
    95 = 118.8% mastery
    100 = 125 % mastery

    To raise your Taming Specalization just use other taming skills (Heal Creature, Resurrect Creature, Summoning, or Tame Creature). Experience to get to which Taming Specialization level is:
    0 - 80 = 3,619,038 xp
    81 - 90 = 5,730,274 xp (9,349,312 xp total)
    91 - 95 = 5,708,942 xp (15,058,254 xp total)
    to 96 = 1,508,759 xp (16,567,013 xp total)
    to 97 = 1,654,554 xp (18,221,567 xp total)
    to 98 = 1,820,236 xp ( 20,041,803 xp total)
    to 99 = 2,002,114 xp ( 22,043,917 xp total)
    to 100 (GM) = 2,205,190 xp (24,249,107 xp total)


    The taming skills I found useful and not useful:

    Tame Creature - Needed to tame any creature. See above on how I gained this skill.

    Heal Creature - Great to heal the pet. At level 40 you heal 11 - 15 health. At level 92 it was more like 21 - 25 health (+10). At level 83 it heals between 73 - 102. At 100 it heals 67 - 94 hp.

    Resurrect Creature - Needed to resurrect your creature in case he dies. I like that you can select yourself and then hit resurrect to do it, instead of having to get to your pet's body. As soon as he is alive again, right click on him and select teleport him to you so he is not targeted and killed again. I raised mine to level 40, so I have 100% resurrect chance. At 100 it has a 158.1 resurrect chance and will have a -12.5% to consume reagents (so nothing).

    Obedience - I think level 40 is good for this as this will determine at what level you pet will flee if his health gets too low. At level it is 30%, at level 60 it is 45%, 80 it is 60%, at 100 it is 75%. I did not see a big difference. Just keep healing your pet and he won't flee.

    Collar Recovery - A modifier in helping you not loose any taming collars while taming. At 100 it is 184.7%.

    Concentration - This will help reduce the focus use while the pet is active. Get this as high as you can while getting your focus as high as you can. Then you will be able to use magic spells or combat moves and fight along side your pet. At 100 it is a 50.3% reduction in focus drain from you.

    Refresh - This is how long you can summon a creature again. At level 1 it takes 15 minutes between summonings and at level 88 it was about 6 minutes between summonings. At level 100 it is 2 minutes and 32 seconds . Find a balance like maybe level 40 for 8 minutes between summonings.

    Summoning and Combat Training - These work together to determine the health and power of your pet while summoned with the summoning skill. My bears are at a good level of health and power with my summoning at 86 and combat training at 91. In Summoning 100 you have a +89 Tamed Creature Max Level. In Combat Training at 100 you have +15 tame level bonus.

    Combat Training at 80 (+14 tame level bonus), 94 (+15 tame level bonus), 121 (+16 tame level bonus)

    Pair Summoning and Combat Training with Concentrating and you have a pet you can battle along with and not feel like both of you are going to perish quickly.

    Update 05/2018: I took my combat training to 121 and did not see any increase of hit points. I raised my Summoning to 106 and did see an increase of 7 hit points (1069 to 1076). I then reduced my Combat Training to 94 and



    Common Animal Hit Points List
    All Hit Point numbers were updated in Release 54 on 05/31/2018.

    Hit Points of animals at Combat Training level 80 (+14 Tame Level) and Taming Specialization of 1. Summoning was at 80.
    - Obsidian Bear - 645 hp
    - Grand Boar - 421 hp
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 577 hp
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 599 hp

    Hit Points of animals at Combat Training level 80 (+14 Tame Level) and Taming Specialization of 40. Summoning was at 80.
    - Obsidian Bear - 866 hp with a focus drain of 213.6 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Grand Boar - 609 hp with a focus drain of 135.6 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 741 hp with a focus drain of 236.2 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 838 hp with a focus drain of 236.2 (Concentration at level 100)

    ** Fun Fact - The Darkstarr Corpion finally gets over 1000 hit points (1008 hit points ) when your Taming Specification is at level 68 and Combat Training and Summoning both are at level 80. At this point the Obsidian Bear has more at 1030 hit points. **

    Hit Points of animals at Combat Training level 80 (+14 Tame Level) and Taming Specialization of 80. Summoning was at 80.
    - Obsidian Bear - 1100 hp with a focus drain of 213.6 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Grand Boar - 807 hp with a focus drain of 135.6 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 913 hp with a focus drain of 236.2 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 1081 hp with a focus drain of 236.2 (Concentration at level 100)

    Hit Points of animals at Combat Training level 92 or 100 (+15 Tame Level) and Taming Specialization of 80. Summoning was at 80.
    - Obsidian Bear - 1113 hp with a focus drain of 218 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Grand Boar - 818 hp with a focus drain of 139 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 922 hp with a focus drain of 240.9 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 1091 hp with a focus drain of 240.9 (Concentration at level 100)

    Hit Points of animals at Combat Training level 92 or 100 (+15 Tame Level) and Taming Specialization of 100. Summoning was at 80.
    - Obsidian Bear - 1231 hp with a focus drain of 218 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Grand Boar - 918 hp with a focus drain of 139 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 1009 hp with a focus drain of 240.9 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 1214 hp with a focus drain of 240.9 (Concentration at level 100)

    Hit Points of animals at Combat Training level 92 or 100 (+15 Tame Level) and Taming Specialization of 100 and Summoning of 100 (GM).
    - Obsidian Bear - 1231 hp ** no change - drop off list
    - Grand Boar - 918 hp ** no change - drop off list
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 1106 hp with a focus drain of 285.2 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 1327 hp with a focus drain of 285.2 (Concentration at level 100)

    Hit Points of animals at Combat Training level 92 or 100 (+15 Tame Level) and Taming Specialization of 100 and Summoning of 106 (GM+).
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 1141 hp with a focus drain of 300.9 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 1367 hp with a focus drain of 300.9 (Concentration at level 100)

    Hit Points of animals at Combat Training level 92 or 100 (+15 Tame Level) and Taming Specialization of 100 and Summoning of 110 (GM+).
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 1161 hp
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 1395 hp

    Hit Points of animals at Combat Training level 92 or 100 (+15 Tame Level) and Taming Specialization of 100 and Summoning of 115 (GM+).
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 1186 hp with a focus drain of 322.5 (Concentration at level 100)
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 1419 hp with a focus drain of 322.5 (Concentration at level 100)

    Hit Points of animals at Combat Training level 92 or 100 (+15 Tame Level) and Taming Specialization of 100 and Summoning of 121 (GM+). Summoning at 121 gives you 99.9% Tamed Creature Max level.
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 1196 hp (Same as Summoning level 118, no benefit now to go to 121)
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 1431 hp (Same as Summoning level 118, no benefit now to go to 121)


    ** all hit point numbers are as of Release 54 on 05/31/2018. Hit point numbers can change if/when Portalarium changes some code or ability. **


    *Fun Fact: If you raise your Combat Training from level 94 (+15 tame level bonus) to level 106 (+16 tame level bonus), it will not increase your pet's hit points IF you your Summoning skill is at 100 or under. Tested this with a Obsidian Bear and the Darkstarr Corpion (the current highest hp creature as of 3/16/2018). **
    If you raise your Summoning to level 118 it will raise all pet's hit points up. Tested this with the top four pets on 05/12/2018.)



    Summoning skill level to summon common pets:
    - Grand Boar - 34
    - Large Red Spider - 40
    - Bear Patriarch - 44
    - Obsidian Wolf - 50
    - Obsidian Bear - 54
    - Ferocious Wolf Spider - 59
    - Ferocious Brown Spider - 59
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 79
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 79

    How to increase your focus to battle the focus drain of having a tamed creature out:
    1) put as many skill points in the skill Heightened Awareness under the Focus skill tree. Mine is at 80 for +80 focus.
    2) Increase Train Intelligence under the Focus skill tree. Mine is at level 87 for +43.5 intelligence which translates to roughly +21 focus.
    3) Cast the Enlightenment skill under the Sun tree. Mine is level 80 for an increase of 40 focus.

    Focus Drain:
    I will list a few animals and their focus drain at my current Concentration level (94) to give you an idea. Pets cost a lot of your focus.
    - Obsidian Bear gives you a -222.4 focus drain.
    - Fero Red Spider and Darkstarr Corpion gives you a -260.3 focus drain.
    - Grand Boar gives you a -141.8 focus drain.

    How much experience does the skills take?
    Tame Creature (to 100) = 1,212,424
    Summoning (to 100) = 1,212,424
    Heal Creature (to 100) = 1,212,424
    Obedience (to 100) = 1,212,424
    Collar Recovery (to 100) = 1,212,424
    Resurrect Creature (to 100) = 1,212,424
    Combat Training (to 100) = 1,212,424
    Concentration (to 100) = 1,212,424
    Refresh (to 100) = 1,212,424
    Taming Specialization (to 80) = ** Look above in the Taming Specialization section **

    Blessing of the Tamer - Buff
    In R53 and after it gives your pet +10 levels.
    Zone: South Boundless Forest
    Spoiler: Solving the totem puzzle & Getting the Blessing of the Tamer
    Boar totem (location -262.4, 39.1, -168.5) - make it face NORTH
    Wolf totem (location 157.8, 32.1, 129.2) - make it face SOUTH
    Stag Totem (location 188.4, 64.0, -168.1) - make it face EAST
    Bear totem (location -82.6, 37.4, 381.7) - make it face WEST
    Thanks to @Rinaldi for uncovering this puzzle solution.
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    Here is a video of me doing the blessing of the tamer puzzle and solution:


    With Combat Training of 92 through 100 and Taming Specialization of 100 (GM) level the top three pets:
    Obsidian Bear will have 1192 health hit points.
    Feroicous Red Spider will have 1004 health hit points.
    Darkstarr Corpion will have 1244 health hit points.


    Results
    Obsidian Bear:
    - With Combat Training of 92 and Taming Specialization of 100 (GM) level (1,043 health hit points)
    OR Taming Specialization of 80 and all other Taming skills at 100 (GM) level (960 health hit points). * Thanks to @Grimbone for verifying this as with Taming Specialization of 85 gives 985 health hit points.
    - You can take any Tier 5 creature of a Tier 6 creature under 999 hit points one on one with no healing, in my testing.

    Max Level of all Pets
    The current max level of all pets is obtained by training your Summoning to 126 and Combat Training to 121. @Pawz discovered this while bring her Summoning to 136 and Combat Training to 131. No Difference, no level raised. Thank you @Pawz for this great information!

    Quick keys
    These keys on your extended keyboard (or laptop with a number pad) will let you control how your pet reacts or to quickly have them follow your command. OR you can right click on your pet to access the same list (I right click instead of using my numeric keypad.

    Num Pad 1: Passive = this will make your pet ignore any targets.
    Num Pad 2: Defensive = Your pet will only attack your target if you get attacked first.
    Num Pad 3: Aggressive = Your pet will attack a random target of their choice.
    Num Pad 4: Stay = Your pet will stay in the spot when you tell them to stay.
    Num Pad 5: Follow = Your Pet will follow you around.
    Num Pad 8: Teleport to my location in the same scene = this is good if your pet gets stuck and cannot pathfind their way to you.
    Num Pad 9: Stop Attacking = Your pet will stop attacking the target. Sometimes your pet is so engrossed they won't stop even if you tell them multiple times.

    These two no longer work:
    Num Pad 6: Attack
    Num Pad 7: Dismiss


    Jaath Windsong has an Excel spreadsheet with what to take and what level broken out at this thread - https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/taming-and-summoning-chart.60911/

    I hope this guide helps you in your quest to be a GrandMaster Tamer.

    Please let me know if you have any questions. Please let me know if there are any corrections please let me know too. My goal is to keep this updated for every release going forward to be a guide for all new players.

    Sincerely,
    Lord Greagoir Pendragon, ONBE
    Duke of Dara Brae

    Earlier versions of this from 2016 is superseded found at:
    http://www.sotamuseum.com/?post_id=62&title=greagoir-pendragons-how-i-gmed-tame-creature

    FYI: @Berek if this is good please place a sticky on it and move it where it suits best.

    Edits:
    03/07/2018 - Original
    March 08 - 15, 2018 - Added in common pet summoning level and hit points, Advanced Trainer location for high level Taming skills and Specialization unlock, Experience Points for each Taming skill. Added Taming Specialization of 88 for hp comparison. Added Hroth's base skill for comparison.
    03/16/2018 - Hit 100 GM in Taming Specialization
    03/26/2018 - Added tip of successful taming of a Ferocious Red Spider or Darkstarr Corpion. Updated for 03/27/2018 launch. And Paws investigation of max level of pets.
    04/2018 - Added Taming Tools, blessing of the tamer video
    05/2018 - Added +10 taming bonus update in R53. Added more stats of Summoning > 100.
    06/2018 - Updated pet health and focus costs for Release 54
     
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    Great Guide, a lot of good information but before you take the time and effort make sure you really understand what you get from the taming tree and how it compares to a plain old summons, or any other skill.

    If you are new to the game train something else first. You can always come back to it later.

    I know taming is something players want to do and train but not worth it when you are just starting out.

    BTW I have been taming since it was allowed, I have 4 GMS and over 700 points in the tree so I do know hat I am talking about.

    RESERCH this skill before you go further

    This guide is great on the how too.

    Just so you see where I am coming from -
    https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/f...-taming-what-is-it-going-to-look-like.108285/
    https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/f...-confirmation-on-concerns.110401/#post-948895
    https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/f...as-expected-yes-here-is-the-bad-again.111132/
    So I have been there and trained it just thought you all should know
     
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    Duke Gréagóir Legend of the Hearth

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    Added information in first posting with taking Taming Specialization to 95. I have 6 mill xp in my pool and I think I will need 12 mill total to get from 95-100 as it took 6 mill from 90-95. That is not leaving anything left in my experience pool

    I used Obsidian of Unlearning scrolls to get my pool up to 18 mill before going from 80-95 so my other skills are all the basics (1 or 40 for regular skills and 80 where they were a prerequisite to the specialization skills). It was important to find out now before release in 2 weeks.

    If anyone wants to help me out and adventure with me in a higher level area than tier 5 to help me get lots of pooled xp quickly (probably 7 mill so I have 1 mill left over so I can absorb the entire 12 mill into the taming spec pool quickly) it would be appreciated.

    @Weins201 Please let this be an information thread and not an argument of taking or not taking. It is important for others to see what it takes to get to 100 taming specialization so they can make an informed decision. I appreciate and respect your opinions and I think your warning posting above is enough so others can see what else they can do besides taming as in the current shape it is in. Thank you.
     
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    Thank you Duke Gréagóir !

    I would be curious to see if you might get Combat Training from 92 to 100 to see how that increases strength in your respective pets just because of what Atos said:

    https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/f...hris-daily-work-blog.85584/page-6#post-940842

    "I think I'm getting close. First, I'm upping the base strength value for tamed critters. Should give about 10-20% more base damage and some HPs. Second, for Taming masters, they get 125 x taming Mastery % for str, 50 x taming mastery for Dex, and 100 x taming mastery for hit points. The result, with 100's in all taming skills [including Combat Training] and 80 in Taming mastery, [Obsidian] bear friend has around 1100 hps and hits for 50 with non crits."
     
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    Hi @hroth

    I advanced my Combat Training to 100 and my Taming Specialization to 97 (had done the tame Spec advancement before I read your message). My Obs Bear is at 1045 hp (Combat Training 100 and Tame Specialization at 97), before getting Combat Training to 100 from 92 my Obs Bear had 1039 hp (Combat Training 92 and Tame Specialization at 98). At 92 I get +15 taming bonus, and won't get 16 taming bonus from Combat Training until level 105 or 106 I believe.

    I think this is because - "The result, with 100's in all taming skillsl [including Combat Training] and 80 in Taming mastery, [Obsidian] bear friend has around 1100 hps and hits for 50 with non crits." I am a far way off with some of my skills since it requires 100s in all taming skills except taming spec. Some of mine are at level 40 yet. It took 600k xp to get Combat Training from 92 to 100.

    Unfortunately, I don't have that much space experience as I am just at 1.2 million exp pool. I think I would need about 4 - 5 million to get the rest all to 100 each.

    EDIT: Combat Training at 104 does not give you +16 Tame level bonus. added clarification.
     
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    Thanks @Duke Gréagóir - just one point of clarification. Do you mean that Combat Training at 92 (+15 Taming Bonus) and Combat Training at 100 (still only +15 Taming Bonus) is giving you slightly different hp (1039hp at Combat Training at 92, 1045hp at Combat Training at 100)?

    I do think that Combat Training (if the tooltips can be trusted) is the main glyph that should matter. Even Summoning should only gate which pets you can summon, not how powerful they get summoned in at.

    Cheers,

    Ben

    EDIT: By the way, a data point of interest might be the difference Taming Specialization makes.

    Here are hp for Taming Specialization = 1 (unlearning), and all Taming Skills at 80 except Resurrect Pet which is at 23:

    - Obsidian Bear - 460 hp
    - Grand Old Boare - 334 hp
    - Ferocious Red Spider - 390 hp
    - Darkstarr Corpion - 413 hp



     
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    Thanks @Duke Gréagóir for all those info and data points. I think this is the closest Taming has got to being viable again since being nerfed a long time ago.

    I'll be sticking to buying my pets instead of sinking all those into the taming and collar recovery skills. Will just level the dependencies enough to reduce the focus requirements for maintaining a pet - I can live with the summon cooldown as it is.

    I'll be happy enough just to have a 900hp bear at my side during my adventures :)
     
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    Yes (1039hp at Combat Training at 92, 1045hp at Combat Training at 100). I clarified it in my posting as it was just jumbled thoughts. Thank you for asking for a clarification.
     
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    Fantastic information. I've added it to my thread on Reddit trying to quantify each of the Specializations:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/shroudofth...specializations_what_secret_powers_does_each/

    If you have a chance, please let us know what the other critters (Darkstarr Corpion, Grand Old Boare, and Ferocious Red Spider) are at the Taming Specialization at 97. That's an INCREDIBLE amount of XP on the Taming Specialization!

     
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    QA Test over no 1,100 hp bear. :( Only 1026 hp. Yes, I bug reported it already. :) Gotta try to win a antfarm deco.
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    That is an impressive skill tree but since you are testing all this out, wonder if you could look at your bear with the tree like this

    20 Tame
    54 Summoning Min for Obs Bear
    40 in Obedience (min prerequisite)
    80 in Combat Training (min Prer)
    and then whatever you have in the Special

    Or someone can point to me what to change in Single Player and I will do it.

    But that would be a true test of the skill tree then addition of the special?
     
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    @Weins201 you have been very kind to me ingame and I am very appreciative. Please PM me and I can guide you how to do this offline Single Player.

    Cheers

    Ben
     
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    Did they make a change that you can not tame over necklaces now or is that a bug? My tame stays greyed out when I tried to tame over a necklace with a pet on it. I use a new necklace and I am able to tame. I tried letting the pet die and not res to see if that would clear it. It decayed and still had the name of the dead pet on it and could not recall it since it was gone. I love taming and have it in the 80's but if this is a new change that you have to use a new necklace every time not sure I will keep doing it 4 silver ingots a tame even with collar recovery will be rough. I will spend more time getting silver then taming pets. Can someone shed some light on this. Thank you.
     
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    I have been tamoing over neckalces tha last few days - are oyu trying a mimic necklace?
     
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    No i used an old necklace that had a horse on it and then i made a new one and used that same thing. Guildmate said they had the same issue that's why i did not know if it was a change or not.
     
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    Here is the answer:

    So. 1026 hp is the best for all 100’s and Taming Specialization at above 80.

    Due to currently having Taming Specialization at 99 1/2 in Prod, My Obs bear has 1043 hp. Just 1 mill xp to go to GM!
     
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    Grats!
     
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    This may not be the place to ask this and if it is not please forgive me. My question is how do you repair taming necklaces. I have a low durability one with a favorite pet. Yes, I have a favorite pet after four days of taming.
     
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    As of this point, I don't have a summoning whistle that has any durability loss. I would try a carpentry or blacksmith repair kit and see. Those re available at any combat merchant or blacksmith.