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Discussion in 'The College of Arms' started by Sir Frank KC, Oct 3, 2013.

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    Awesome! That's perfect. Looks like the one I had but with a much better wolf :) Thanks so much Ronan!
     
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    The Six Million Gold Piece Herald?
     
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    Greetings heralds! This thread has certainly been inspiring to discover more about heraldry, so bravo for all of the great work you are doing for this game :D

    As you can see from my avatar I already have an existing coat of arms which was taken from a picture on the wall at my grandparents house. The family name of Brouwer ties in well to the chosen brewing profession I want to specialize in in the game! (Brouwer being the dutch word for brewer, pronounced the same too).

    As experts in the field, I was hoping you could clarify if the colours are compatible? and perhaps the correct description of the coat of arms :D
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    One side shows one half of a two-headed eagle displayed (black) on what looks like a gold background (could be orange or brown?). The other side in the top third shows two six-sided stars in gold on a blue background. The bottom two thirds has a wooden barrel (the inscription on the back calls it a "Tun") with black hoops. Above it are two brewers stirring paddles crossed diagonally in red (gules or sanguine?). I'm not sure the helmet or embellishment around the shield are allowed, but if it's appropriate then I could include it as well.

    Eventually the motto for my brewing trade will be - IN BIBENDUM SPERAMUS - which loosely translated means "In drinking we trust" :D I'll probably put it in runic lettering beneath the shield.
     
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    selbie, we prefer not to use existing arms directly unless the person in question can prove they actually have the right to bear that specific coat of arms (letters of patent or similar.) However, if you'd like, we can certainly help you design something similar that is individual to you. :)

    Also, while you are welcome to use a motto, and we can list them in the gallery, they won't be included in the devices currently.
     
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    More "Daft Herald" (or is it "Herald Punk"?)


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    Thanks @NirAntae, that's understandable :) The motto was mainly just for fun, and perhaps something that can be included in the future but not an immediate thing.
    I certainly want to keep the crossed brewer paddles and Tun barrel to show my profession in the game.

    I've butchered together something in illustrator using the svg files on the CoA wiki
    It still seems unbalanced and there are probably some issues, but it's a rough start :)

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    Something a little more balanced!

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    Daft Herald is generally applicable to any of us. :)
     
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    selbie I would suggest perhaps sable (black) instead of azure (blue) for the paddles, simply for the sake of not inducing headaches ;) (That's just a suggestion, it's perfectly 'legal' as-is.)

    Was neat to see Draconny used, you ought to stick with it! >.>

    And do you intend it to have a black border, or is that just the file you used? If it is supposed to be a border, it will end up somewhat wider than that. Otherwise, looks good!
     
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    This shows a union of some sort.
    The left side of the shield seems to be a Reichsadler, which would seem to indicate Germany. Gold background, black eagle, red claws and tongue.
    The right side does heavily represent brewing.
    So, my first thought is that it is unlikely that one side of your family ruled Germany without you knowing about it. Therefore, I don't think this is a registered coat of arms.
    I am also told by the real experts, that there is really no such thing as a family coat of arms. They are assigned to individuals, and sometimes passed down father to son, but representing one person at a time. So perhaps the right side represents one member of your family that put together something that represented the name Brouwer.
    My second thought is that this represents a company making German style beer.
    Did your Dutch family ever make beer in real life? If so, this might be their business logo.
    There is a Belgian Beer called Brouwer, so maybe there's a connection?

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    Hail!

    I'm trying to put my heraldry together but I'm not well versed as to what would be legal for use in-game. Essentially, what my friend and I are wanting to use is something that would mix Or (signifying gold) and Azure (signifying the high seas), adorned in any particular fashion with two bottles/kegs/chalices (to show that there are two of us and we are in the liquor trade) and four stars (signifying four values we hold).

    Using the College of Arms Blazon Builder I came up with this.

    Now while I do like it to a point, I would like input as to what I could do to make sure that this isn't sending out a wrong message. (i.e. do chalices represent something particular and are the stars of great importance). What do you guys think?
     
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    Charges don't have any particular meaning.

    What you've got there is certainly acceptable. Nothing wrong with it at all. It would be described thusly:

    Or a fess azure between two chalices and 4 mullets 1,2,1 sable.

    If you would like some suggestions, I would move the 4 stars to the fess (the blue bar across the center) line them up across, make them gold (Or). This would leave the lower half of the shield free to place another charge, or leave alone.

    That would be describe as:

    Or on a fess azure four mullets of the first, and in chief two chalices sable.
     
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    I like to say the charges hold whatever meaning you assign to them.
    We have included the symbols that were assigned to the virtues of Ultima for the fans, but there are no officially assigned meanings.

    Your design will mean "those two guys that make liquor".

    To an Ultima fan, the chalice is Honor, Or is Love, azure is Truth, and sable is Humility.
     
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    I see no reason why us liquor lads couldn't uphold those virtues in an attempt to keep it cannon :)

    Thanks for the help!
     
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    Love... c'mon, surely you've seen people get "I love you, man!" drunk? ;)

    Truth... they say in wine is truth, right?

    Not so sure about Honor... and Humility might be a bit of a problem... hehehehe

    (Just kidding around, not saying don't use sable. ;) It's fine.)
     
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    We'll have a drink in your honor! In our honor! In EVERYONE'S honor! :D

    (ended up scrapping the sable in preference of a cleaner look anyway :))
     
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