@Adam Crow I agree with your comments above. There are plenty of players who drop shade on the game but are either still on the forums just to complain or still putting in 40+ hours in game. I also ran into a couple of people who said they quit the game but are actually playing on a second account. I have a huge list of things that I think need to be fixed or reworked or expanded on but at the end of the day ask yourself these simple questions: What other multiplayer game is as open of a sandbox as this? What other game allows crafter to make some of the best gear in the game or has such a deep crafting system despite some much needed adjustments and QoL improvements. What other game allows you to own a town or a house that can handle the volume of individually placed items as Shroud? What game let's you theory craft a build with so many options and play the style you want to play? How many games allow you to create your own content? Allow you to play offline single player, online solo play, or multiplayer? Can you name a game with a better overall community where people are helpful and have guilds that aren't all about your gear level and dps or hps? Can you name a similar game that allows players to speak with Devs through streams, in game messages or forum IMs regardless of pledge level? For me the answer currently is none and I back a lot of games and have tried almost all of the Western MMOs and many Eastern MMOs made dating back to UO. And finally if there is another game that a person really likes better then shroud they would be playing it and not wasting time in a game forum of a game they don't like.