Let's settle this once and for all. Card combat, Good or Bad

Well Don't count me in your "We" group, because "We" all dont agree. Simply speak for yourself. I tend to like the glyph combat and actually do fine with it, in fact I do better with it than in many other games. It is a different learning curve which is easier for me than other games.

 

So you are stating that the minority who like the deck system, along with some developers wishing more support for it are creating multiple accounts to buttress it in polls? Do you have proof of this? That seems like a rather harsh accusation to make about people, unless you can prove it.

 

STILL NOT GOOD ODDS:
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If there is 20% undecided voters.... big deal

RESULTS:
No matter how you look at it these are not good numbers for the deck system, and the system will not be talked about by me again because I don't think ANY deck system will "Settle this once and for all" which is the thread's topic.

IMHO any talk about the deck system at this point is off topic, that's how strongly I believe the deck system falls short of being a solution.

EDIT: I will still use the deck system as an example (for comparison only) as to what ought not be done.

 

I didn't say I'm undecided.

 

If you were poralarium you can do what you want without a vote. But let's consider the fact that people find this as not acceptable. I don't think any changes to this system is going to change anything in the big picture. They can be Scrums and drink and have fun and come up with ideas, but unless this system is dropped in favor of something else, I predict nothing changes.

EDIT: Maybe it isn't too late for a change. Maybe they are trying to modify this system because they think there is time to swap it out with something different later. The way it looks from my perspective is they are running out of time and they need to do something serious at this point. Not fix it, but drop it and replace it because time is short.

 

Its all semantics Isaiah. You can spill out all the we numbers and they numbers you want. It dont mean a hill of beans if the poll is skewed lol. All I think portalarium wants is YOUR opinion not you trying to push a consensus on the general population of the forums. The settle it once and for all poll is a flawed and invalid poll. It represents nothing because people can vote as many times as they want to make accounts. Its worthless. Furthermore your not going to prove your point any more than you already have by repeating the same old stuff over and over again. Port reads the threads. They know what you guys have written. They might not share your opinion however. I understand you feel passionately about things. We all do. All we can do is state our own case, not building up straw men to self validate, and then complain when they wont listen.

 

The deck system IS being tested, and you in your opinion have given up on an unfinished test. Things are changing and evolving with it all the time. I will take your statement as your OPINION, not as fact, and you are definatly entitled to your opinion, just remember thats all it is.

 

OK.

They would know if they have enough resources to finish the project. That still doesn't change the fact that I am not very optimistic about these tests, but I know these guys have done many good things. I disagree on more points than I thought but what counts is that the project is successful.

 

For the first time since testing began, I couldn't be assed to log in and do the hat quest. I've done EVERY SINGLE ONE before it, but I'm so unenthusiastic about this game due to the combat I just can't get myself to even log in anymore. I honestly wish I could just get my money back at this point. A lot of people say that we should wait until the combat is more fleshed out, but when something is flawed at it's core, it's flawed no matter what. No amount of polish will fix what is flawed at the core imo.

 

I predict if this game releases with this combat system it will fail.

 

The new free mode its quite confusing tbh.......pastiche style????

 

The free mode and the card system are in direct conflict with each other. They are simply two entirely different systems that are both no good on their own. I really love the game but combat is where it ends for me. It is so inherently flawed. I would have liked to have seen a system build using all of the free form elements, active blocking, minimum ui etc. Maybe they might try and test that direction? The card combat is just not really all that engaging, when that's what it sets out to do. It's boring.

 

People with an unworkable product frequently describe it as "a work in progress". Communist dictatorship is currently being tested and refined in North Korea. How long should we support the Beta before we are allowed to say that IT WAS A BAD IDEA?

 

I agree completely. It's great that at least a basic free mode for combat is being tested. I very much hope this is the base around combat could be built, with things like blocking and dodging.

As an aside, there is another thread where a community member is testing the card combat while having his cards hidden by black tape on his monitor. Being successful while utilizing that (basically being blind to his glyphs) does not speak well for what the aim was with the glyph randomness.

 

Is there a detailed description of how freemode operates somewhere on the website?

 

I at least see the free mode as an indication that the Devs just might be trying to figure out how to resolve combat for all of us. Perhaps it's a sign that we are building a bridge to better things...or perhaps it's a desperate move to try and salvage the unsalvageable...

 

I'm happy to see where they go with combat, and I agree that almost any change away from the random deck system is a good step, or can be. I just expect more than "we're trying" to restore my confidence.

 

I'm between shows this week and really can't play much as I would like to try this freeplay mode. Are there posts somewhere detailing how it works?

 

You simply disable autoattack in options, then during combat you use the left mouse button to strike in front of you, regardless of selected enemy. Rapid clicks are quick and weak, while holding it longer charges your strike and does more damage.

 

I've said it one too many times already, but since Sota devs don't appear to be interested in big combat changes in order to make combat something that they distinctly said they didn't want to, ie a min-maxing dps/hps race, I just hope they do listen to the smart people who are involved with combat and that they do listen to. I would recommend at this point they bring in (a pro or a community leader) somebody who is experienced enough to be a person who's sole purpose is as a combat specialist.
I am losing more support when I see the lead Tech dev also trying to over-reach and also be the main combat lead (as well as the main producer guy). I don't see Portalarium as thinking combat is important enough to warrant a full time position, which IMHO, it clearly does.

But, there are some very intelligent community people that have more time and patience than me that are trying to engage the dev team. I just think Portalarium devs as wearing too many hats, and combat and abilities are, as a result, suffering from under-developed ideas, and the changes they are making are only small-step kind of fixes and not larger scope changes.. My concerns are not being spoken alone, they are echoed by many and this poll would indicate those problems.