(NecroThread)Archery "adjustments"

That we are on page 20 of this thread, with no end or general consensus in sight, lol.

I think the sad reality with the current skill system in Shroud is that the balancing of all those skills, is impossible. Since any player can literally learn and GM every skill it makes the number of skill permutations virtually limitless. So balancing all those combinations is a tremendously herculean task! I am convinced there is no plausible way ANYONE could do it, unless you had a huge team of developers constantly addressing the imbalances that arise. Moreover, simply tweaking one skill could dramatically affect multiple others, making the aspect of skill balance even more difficult. This is also probably why skills are frequently getting "nerfed", creating this continual cycle of imbalance/balance/imbalance.

I know people love the limitless system, but it definitely presents a number of problems that a capped system doesn't. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just my observations during the past 4+ years of development. Cheers!

 

Actually, it seemed pretty east, charged shot was op, fixed charged shot, if ring of fire is op, tone down ring of fire.

 

Build 1025 is out but I don't see anything in the patch notes about charging free-attack or the Blind skill.

[edit] Listening to Chris' last stream, he said that a charged shot multiplier reduction was already in and the charge time change won't go in until the next release.

 

Funny that you guys say that multishot suxx here, one of the most powerfull AOE skill ingame (up to 1k insta damage to single mob), as I said befor If archer only use charged attack he suck ). And in PVP X6 multishot from crafted crossbow can win group fights...

 

Agreed... epic.

Hmmm... multi shot doesn't suck. We need and index on this epic thread so we can reference stuff. Who said and when... what page Spinok?

Seen people only using charged attack doing twice my DPS and slaughtering anything and everything without taking damage. Are you saying these players should mix in a aimed shot every now and then to not "suck"?

 

Contradict yourself much? Truth cannot contradict truth, so what is it? Are archers good in pvp or not? Are mages better at aoe or not? You are all over the place.

 

Does your dps is the good example? you are swordman, sword is suxx in this game even very high level.

Archer is NOT OP IN PVP, and group pvp is other story. I`m not sure that you even know how to play in a team(Never seen the team with you that win smth) so not sure you will understand, but it will try: if you have a very good healer like Dhanas/Illuminat/Jini class/Kinetic/Mangar healer(dont know name) then you can use tactics when Archer stack multishots with rapidshots with CF and tanking at the forefront then he will extremely deadly for sure, but its not even near OP as you want to say.
PS, who is OP archer now ingame both pvp/pve ? ONLY Ranger, Even Pavlito drops archery, I dont know anyone else of this level of playing, and for mages I can say dozen...
PSS, archer need support, MAGE DONT NEED IT. If you need support or second window its other story.

 

Who was saying that Multishot sucks? It's one of my favorite skills.

 

Lol. You're funny Spinok.

 

I mean at this point can we talk about pugilism then? I mean 0 resources required, with an artifact that straight up give 2x more damage, straight up OP I cant believe we are complaining about Mages and archers

 

So it is worthwhile or not ?

 

I believe what he is saying is that ONLY using free attack one can solo the spider queen SUPER fast but using any archery skills makes it less fast. Compared to JUST free attack, all archery skills suck which is why droves are people are dropping all archery skills and ONLY using free attack.

 

That was a reference to the fact that free-attack was OP compared to the skills, especially when used with Blind.

 

You can like things without them being worthwhile, actually half or more of my thought out builds seem so darn cool and fun on paper, but in game they are terrible.

For archery, all this thread has been is Mac, Sara and I asking to transfer power from charged shots into skills for bows, PVPers and people who find flaws and use them getting mad, and Barugon and Mishikal learning. If you would understand what we are asking, instead of thinking all we want is a nerf, this thread wouldn't have 20 pages...

 

1)You need support to make it really fast, who will put the blind and who will kill AOE spiderling before queen will come.
2)On the high magic resistance target like ancient dragon or clock, you need VERY high sun support to make 100% crit chance on charged.
So if we are talk about SOLO PVE against boss, then NOW only charged is sucked if compared with charged+glyphs.

Mac is UT specialist mage, Sara is swordman, how they are related to archery at all ? ) They saw smth and thought that it its too OP becouse they cant do this with their levels, but the min/max reality is other, its not only about XP and build, in most cases its about player skills, and in exotic cases, its about how player can manage multibox in PVE and in PVP its about how flexible is your build and how many counter decks you have.

 

No matter the scenario, skills with a weapon should see some usage, I tried the archer build for less than 3 days, tried using skills, and honestly it was big time subpar to pulling off charge attacks, a bows charge attack had a minimum of 125 for me, AND I'M BAD! meanwhile, any other weapon will have difficulties reaching the same level with just a charged attack.

Now if aimed shot would reach that power instead of charged attacks, this would be a whole different story! Have aimed shot and Rapid fire get slightly more powerful (just a bit) and reduce charged shot effectiveness just a bit, and now archers will start using skills, thus focus, thus on par with other schools.

We are not asking to drop a bows DPS at all, I am asking to have, their DPS come mainly from focus sources.

 

who solo killed the spider Queen with blind? I'd like to see that....it's really,really hard to do alone.
I solo kill equally fast with blind and without

 

Girlsname was doing that yesterday on stream

 

LMAO, well girls name did, right after atos stream, he raided girlsname, who was doing 100% crit chance envy bow charged shot solo, took him a couple minutes. So we had a lot of people watch this happen as he was raided from the shroud stream.