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New Taming info after today's patch.

Discussion in 'Release 51 QA Feedback Forum' started by Pawz, Feb 19, 2018.

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  1. Pawz

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    @Chris So at 100 taming specialization the obsidian bear gains around 300 hp vs his wild counterpart, however the fero red spider and darkstar corpion lose around 300 hp vs their wild counterpart. This is with 128 in summoning and 121 in combat training, so all pets are at max level. Math bug maybe?
     
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    actually what needs to happen with taming is fix the tree - specialization is not a fix.

    What you goin got just put one under concentration and make it Concentration 2.0 and leave it as is.

    Sorry to beat this up but the taming tree itself needs to be completed before ANY of this goes forward, but I knw I am just on person, it wont affect all that many people oh I know - (from earlier posts) "this is it for taming if you do not like it you can unlearn it"

    This is the problem with what is going on is that this "fix" is accepted as a fix for a skill tree that has been completely dysfunctional and ignored.

    Slapping this lipstick on it still leaves a pig behind.

    Sorry but when this goes live as is it will not go over well, sure a few will like it as seen here but selling it , come on this is not a selling point.

    There is no way anyone can tell me this fixes what already take 600+ levels and MILLIONS of exp to be mediocre at best.
     
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    Yep tree needs some work, I feel a heal over time added to the tree and some sort of aoe agro attack for the pet would be cool.
     
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    As a moon/water thief build I can strongly attest to tamed pets being an essential part of my offensive arsenal. Only two things have prevented them from reaching their full potential - their very low survivability in T5 areas and the high focus cost.
     
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    AoE aggro attacks should be part of the (pet) species arsenal. Say a fear howl for the more powerful wolves and a mass stun for patriarch and obsidian bears.
     
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    For 24 mill I get 10-12 more damage outta my bear and about 400 hp, im not satisfied with the tamer tag for that little return on investment. If you really wanna make this "tamer" friendly lower the focus drain on the higher level pets.

    But im sure it will fall on deaf ears.

    55% less focus for 12 pts of damage is beyond retarted to play if ur play style is plate user.
     
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    After retesting my pet in this case a ferocious Brown Spider, with specialisation at 97 he seems to have lost about 150+ hp, taking him down to just under double of his R50 state, the damage he does seems about half as much as when i tested on QA to begin with. The taming changes to begin with were sufficient to get tamers excited again, but then lowering the hp of the pet and also it seems losing a lot of damage AND then XP to raise has been doubled, a double whammy. 24 million XP is not to be sneezed at and to get a pet with just double their R50 values and marginally more damage(is it even more?) is disappointing.
     
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    And we're how close to release ?
     
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    We need Taming Glyphs for our Combat Deck. that can activate specials from our pet!
    Like AOE agro and stuff.

    Stupid question, where can i find the Darkstar Corpion?
     
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    Nice idea!

    @ where is the corpion: the pass from adoris to Brit has a couple of them.

    A general question if you don't mind:
    Why would you want a pet only build?
    Regarding PvP that would be incredible complicated imo.
    I would just stun/slow your pet and burst dmg you into oblivion because you would have no def skills.

    Maybe a second mastery skill that on the one hand buffs the pet a bit more and on the other hand buffs the players defence?
     
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    We went from being way too over powered in the beginning (A new avatar getting a fer. red and killing anything) to it being absolutely horrible after that. It has felt that things were changed so much,that tamers were just getting a penalty for wanting to fight using a pet. That is what has caused many to give up entirely on the taming tree. There needs to be a better resolution to it than what we currently have in place.
     
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    Take any random corpion encounter. After finishing off all the small/large corpions, the Darkstar Corpion and a couple of huge corpions will come.
     
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    Great post! We really need some combat skills for our tamed pet on our combat deck!

    I tame the darkstarr corpion in Northwest Blackblade Mountains. Just don't go down to the plains area with the dragon skeletons scattered about if you want to remain alive.

    My thoughts on the taming specialization: The focus cost to have a pet out should be half at GM taming specialization. And, the refresh timer should be reduced by half at GM tamer specialization. Those are in addition to the increased hit points. And the combat training and obedience should also double their effectiveness at GM taming specialization.

    If you want to throw in another 37 million experience points and take the taming specialization to 120 your focus drain should be about one quarter of what is was before specialization. And the time to re-summon should be about a quarter of what it was before specialization.
     
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    When I first read about taming I got excited, but now it sounds like another portal fail.

    Why take something that could be fun to do and poop on it. Why portal why!
     
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    Imop if they just made focus more reasonable on the high end stuff, or fixed the concentration skill where it worked more efficently if u had the taming mastery skill it would be fine.

    But nearly 400pt focus drain is to punishing esp after 50 - 100 million in the tree

    Chris thinks players only want POWER when we really want playability and viability.

    -400 focus out of 630 (plate) is neither!
    You dont spend upto 100million in a tree to use the lower pets.
     
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    Testing with my Bear is much better actually.
    Combat at 100
    Summoning at 100
    Concentration at 110
    Specilisation at 82

    Bear has 955 hp
    Focus drain is 213.6

    My Bear will solo an Obsidian Wolf and kill it with half of hits hps left
    And will kill an elder wolf only dropping about 120-150 hp

    Seems Spiders are not great, a test on life and QA with a Ferocious Brown seems to show that it kills a Huge Corpion both times, but loses approx 66% of its health on both occasions and that's with the specialisation stats above
     
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    Yeah, I'm not sure if it's a bug but higher level tamable mobs will have fewer hp than when you tame them and bears, wolves, boars eft will have more hp. This is with high summoning, combat training and specialization.
     
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    Bears seam to be the one thats border line ok, like paws said spiders are jacked high focus drain less hp less damage.

    I could buy into a 200pt focus drain with the current power level. Though its still not balanced plate vrs cloth not even close.
     
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    But should it be. Personally i think if you wearing plate your plate your are wearing it for a specific reason, less mitigated damage which is a big benefit over cloth/leather. I wear leather and also the focus drain effects me but i have had someone make me some focus/int based leather pieces and also have gone to wearing fustian gloves which has helped a lot.

    Also i do not have very high taming based skills, i have raised concentration up to 109 but left combat power and summoning at GM.
     
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    If I play heavy specialist tamer, and use a spider I have 320 focus to use. In that case most my dps will have to come from pet and auto attacks.

    My main melee attacks cost 20+ focus per attack that would mean lots of rest time and low dps.

    If I pay a mage i have 900 focus to burn (after 376 drain) with a pet and I can bomb all day long. This is the balance problem I am mentioning.


    So basically if you want to be viable you have to mix in or use cloth losing the heavy piece beinifts they just added.

    If you have not tried to play tamer in heavy with a spider, go to craigs and engoy all the down time and auto attacks.
     
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