renaming items to fool buyers

@dallas @Berek @Chris

Look at the item at the top of the list.

This player is renaming the small bag to Artisan Tool Reward. I bought one thinking it was an Artisan Tool Reward. I quickly clicked on it to buy, not thinking that it could be anything else and I was misled. Is this my fault or is this wrong? IMO opinion mislabeling something to induce purchase is fraud. But if this is allowed then I accept that I need to take more care in the future.

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@Baron Drocis Fondorlatos

Baron, is this allowed? What are your thoughts pls.

 

I congratulate the seller

 

Thank you for your input, this is very helpful. I am pleased you took the time to add something meaningful to the thread.

 

Wow. I'd call that dishonest, but I would think completely within the rules. I'm sorry someone took advantage of you on this one.

 

That does illustrate the benefits of utilizing a private vendor, over the public vendors. If you were to do this on your own private vendor, people would very quickly avoid you like the plague. And there is nothing stopping someone from being honorable and forthright on their vendor, but using an alt to commit fraud like that on a public vendor. I personally will steer clear of them. To what extent if any this will impact sales for those who only have access to public vendors, who knows.

 

Not sure how hard it would be to deny usage of terms for player made items. Might need some looking into.

 

While I know my opinion may be the minority, I actually have nothing against what the person is doing here. If this is truly a game where one's actions determine your course then people need to be free to follow a less honorable path, just as they are free to follow an honorable. While I would say my hat goes off to the seller, this in fact is a weak attempt & I'm sure there are other ways to make this more realistic. While I do feel for a person who may be tricked by this (believe me I do understand what it's like to be on the other end after 13+ years buying & selling in UO), it is still a necessary evil and one that quit frankly probably needs to be enabled a bit more.

 

Does this count ?

 

I am curious to see how Port will handle in game fraud, if it all.

Now that we're persistent it might be nice if @Berek can clarify the forum rules on whether or not you can "player shame" to call out fraud or not.

 

No, you cannot player shame, ever, in any scenario, ever. If there are any suspicions of fraud, send it to support@portalarium.com.

 

@Berek

you are talking out of game fraud yes?

Are we are allowed to defraud people ingame as I have been?

 

In the RW we sue. In this game we appeal to @Berek

If we had recourse in game then I would agree, but if we are allowed to misrepresent then I have a bridge to sell to the next new player landing in Soltown...

 

I guess I could put my stretch goal pack mule on the vendor and say "pack mule for sale, rare and you can ride it too! It even smelts ore on site!"

 

Is it 1/2 blue, 1/2 blaze, with 6 legs and a hard shell?!

 

Caveat emptor

 

I understand this is a game, not the real world, but in the real world there are consequences. If you commit a fraudulent act in the real world, you can be fined and spend time in prison. Therefore, the game needs to take a similar approach. Restrict forum and game access for 24 hours on the first act. If you commit the act a second time, make it 1 week from the forums and game, and if you still haven't learned your lesson after a 3rd time, this game doesn't need you.

I know I get tired of the justice system slapping the wrists of some people who commit crime IRL. If there isn't a punishment they are right back out doing it again and in the gaming world it is no different. Take control of the problem before it spreads like a virus and other people do it. If you don't punish the first person who does it, then you can't punish the next person who does it or they will moan and groan that this is unfair because someone else wasn't punished. Make it a rule, stop crime, stop fraud, create a more friendly player environment where people don't feel everytime they turn around in this game there is a possible person ready to scam you.

I understand you can't control all of it, but either control and punish the people who commit fraud and don't just threaten it or make it where you cannot rename items allowing people to easily take advantage of the others.

REMEMBER, to any parents out there. You can tell your kid no all you want but until you take away there toy for bad behavior they rarely listen without the negative reinforcement that goes with it. People are no different. No consequences, no results.

 

how about having custom names (for containers) revert when placed on a vendor? anyone buying it will want to set their own name anyway.

 

This person is also selling a Book of Unlearning in Kingsport on the public vendor, it isn't zero value so looks to be a fake, beware.

 

The biggest such fraud I've heard of was someone trading Crowns for a Comission Free Vendor in game. It wasn't a few crowns either and the Vendor turned out to be the basic one from the deco merchant.

The most common in pre-permanence was rename chests to Public and hike price up.

Then you have the basic one with "how to get rich" books.


So yes fraud is common right now. I don't think there is a public vendor out there without some.

That one I don't think is fraud though. If it would have had a Makers Mark then it would have been.

The vendor in Soltown used to sell chests with no makers mark. But they were clearly a big breach of the player crafters economy so they were removed by Portalarium.
So for a while now those with no Makers Mark has gone for prices above the crafted ones on Public Vendors.

Same thing with those Light Blocks they had in the store for less than a week. They are also fetching prices above the crafted since they have no Makers Mark. I've seen a few of those on private Vendors.