Should tax-free housing be something a player can achieve over time, rather than buying with money?

I am not sure you mentioned that the taxed row was gotten from doing all the questlines and talking to the Oracle to get it.

Also housing in this game is the best out there and funds the game. Row sized property has gotten so much better with the addition of craft-able versions of row houses with rooftop planting and the new store-front houses. While atm housing and housing related items are still leading the game forward for funding we can't deny the housing is wonderful in this game. Most games now have packages to buy to play the game. I spent $200 ish on a package to play archeage and a couple of hundred or so on mounts for everquest 2.

Pretending it is only this game that gets funding this way is a disservice to what is trying to be done here. This is a fully crowd funded game. That is what we are playing. Devs have gone out of their way to get free property available for everyone. If you want larger property then that is up to you to make those choices.

Personally I feel row property optiions have improved greatly. 250 taxes have also taken much of the burden away.

Remember everyone to get that from the Oracle everyday. If you don't know how to do some of the things in the game like getting the 500 gold, sending mail, using devotional shrines for buffs, playing music and syncing songs you could check my bulletin board also at Wizards rest in hidden vale behind owlshead.

Don't forget you should point at all signs in the game to read them since they look empty otherwise. The same for books and notes you see point at them and use the e key to read them. Bulletin boards you see will have a note or note to read.

I hope no one here is speaking from past experience of the game. Many changes have happened especially in the last 5 or 6 months. Much work is still being done from our feedback with more coming. If anyone is spending cash they don't want to stop that. Also check the market place here on the forums for free rooms players offer. No one should live out of their bank.

I will be returning to game from helping with my mom August 23rd. I miss you all and I wish us to go forward to continuing to keep this game funded. So Must we continue this subject many more pages well you probably will! Personally I would love to see some feedback on the new long awaited fishing update coming in R58. It's been pushed for a couple of years. And also the trials making a difference to this game as a daily timed event as an awesome thing for this game. I want it kept as an option to do for the gane even with castle sieges coming in. Imagine no decay or death penalty and if factions were a thing I may play if we played for getting a flag or kind of like wintergrass in wow where the starting horn goes off and you all take off to secure the various parts of the scene. Ok that's all imo

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Yes, I brought up the row lot given via questing, and the reduction in row lot taxes (both GREAT things). But I still feel that it is not enough to attract new players (something I personally feel the game needs, maybe I'm wrong). I feel that any new player would walk away from this game long before ever getting that row lot via questing. The learning curve is too steep, there are too many things early on in the game that would just turn new players away. I feel that the row lot should be a reward that is given MUCH earlier. Maybe for finishing the outskirts area, or completing a quest in the first capital city (ardoris, resolute, or aerie). Present the new users with something GOOD early on. Give them a reason to overlook any negatives they experience early on. And a reward for completing the story? Upgrade the row lot to a village lot (or give a village lot in addition to the row lot). This gives a player a reason to keep going if they haven't found something else yet. They need to find a place for the village lot. They need to find a house to put on it. They will likely want to decorate the village lot. I would also like to see the taxes on village lots reduced. What is the harm in presenting one of the better parts of the game to newer players?

 

i'd like to lift the spearation of PA and PoT only too.

 

Yeah and it wasn't only to you I say this sweetie. I know lots of things still need done so let's get on with rallying for those things.

 

It sounds to me like recent themepark MMOs have made us all dumb. I love the complexity of this game. You need to have an attention span to play it. You won't know everything about this game in 1 week, and that is a GOOD thing! It is terrible that people have no patience, and can't work to figure things out on their own. If this is why this game fails, then what hope do we have for anything that is challenging and worthwhile?

 

Some games have managed to succeed using difficulty and challenge as a selling point. But they are very few and far between (Dark Souls is the only recent example I can think of). If "dumbing down" the experience is what it takes to make this game succeed, I would personally be ok with that. Besides, you could always artificially create challenge. Do the same things everyone does, just do them without pants on.

 

Hah! Nice.

 

I remembered someone did the math to compare between tax free and taxed deed. Turned out it was gonna be a few years before tax free will pay itself off if you think of it as a pre-paid tax.

 

What they should be doing, is allow PoT Lot Deeds to be used (temporarily) also in select completely abandoned NPC Towns...

 

Ummm... NO.. I have basically donated a LOT of money into this game to help its growth and this would be a HUGE slap in my face if it ever happens...

 

They're already giving you essentially a tax-free row deed for finishing the story.

 

Playing regularly and it's tax free already

However I have seen them available for IGG on vendors now and then. A vendor in Owls Head had one a couple weeks back. TF Village Deed for around 5 million gold I believe. I have a couple I'm holding on to for future episodes. Looking to claim additional lots eventually.

 

Has it occurred to anyone that if we cheapen the game, make things more accessible, make life easier, lessen the grinding, etc., etc., that the game will have less appeal in the end?

We are complaining about the very thing that attracts us to this game. It's psychology 101 that we are attracted to and strive for things not easily obtainable. And if we're not careful and keep chipping away at the intrinsic value designed into the game, it will eventually lose all appeal.

The other advice I'd like to recommend is:

Treat this game like a night out at the casino. Don't spend anything you're not prepared to lose.
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Tax free? Nope. I didn't pay the money for one, so I don't have one, and I don't in any way feel I deserve one.

Taxable deeds are obtainable, and it's pretty clear once your in a position to get one, you should already have the means to pay the tax on it easily.

Heh, I don't even have a taxable one yet, and I figured this out

(and let's face it.. even living out of a bank box with a nearby public crafting area isn't really all that much of a hardship.. with the gold I spent unlocking 200 slots, a lot tax wouldn't faze me.. and I'm no advanced SotA player..)

 

The deed is not tax-free. I don't know where you got that idea.

 

Everyday you can get 500 gold from the oracle. That pays for two days of taxes.

 

roflmao!

 

Nope, never bought a game because I wanted to grind more. Actually quite the opposite, I grind enough at work to where I don't want to grind when playing a "video game".

 

A few years of being in lot debt. Expensive.

A few years of never having to worry about the repo man coming to take my lot away. Priceless.

There are too many things in life to worry about. I decided this wasn't one of them. It made the purchase easy.

 

I doubt it could be any other way. If we're talking about a single-player game, sure... but most of the "grind" is about evening the playing field between players. That's MMOs in a nutshell. The only alternatives I've heard are basically trading one set of problems for another.

• If we introduce hard caps for skill level, for instance, that'll alleviate grind, and it'll also cost us players, who feel they have nothing more to work for, because progress is rendered impossible.
• A solution could be on a personal level - you don't want to grind? Don't. The cost is not competing with others.
• If instead there were time-based advances, like in Eve Online, where it could take a real-life month to build a ship, or train a skill, whether you're online or not, it would cost you wanting to play because you can't actually make progress faster, and there's no point in logging in.

If you don't like (or at least mind) grind, MMIO RPGs aren't really for you. The best Portalarium could do to solve an actual literal unsolvable problem, is to sugar-coat the grind, to make it "feel" less like a grind.

Or they could completely ditch the multiplayer aspect altogether.