I don't think anyone will remember me from UO, but I was a beta tester an early player of the game. I'm not going to list bragging rights or recount old war stories, I loved UO but didn't love the Murder squads, I saw a lot of my good friends have terrible unfun experiences and I watched them leave, I also saw an amazing group of people come together to effect change, we all were passionate about UO some of us were PVPers some were anti PVP but all of us saw that the issue was dire, and the developers agreed with us. I remember irc chats with devs that literally lasted hours about how to address the situation, anyone who was there knows they looked at every possibility and Trammel was the only answer because they were losing a lot of good people, and the player increase afterwards told them they did the right thing. Saying that Trammel ruined UO is simply inflammatory nonsense, it is effectively saying you ruined our fun by denying us victims and what most Anti-Trammelits miss is those people were going to or had left already. RG has made a lot of wise decisions I think the way he approaching PvP in SotA because anything that is forced is draconian.