Why does the skill Chaos not have a opposing skill?

Is Chaos special or what, @anber rain@DarkStarr

 

If it had an opposing skill it wouldn't be chaotic.

 

Consider it the alternate of the Pride/Humility virtue in Ultima. Where Chaos lacks, Order reigns

 

I think the idea is that Chaos is the origin of magic, the primordial energy that had yet to take form into the 8 schools. Mages that practice it are intentionally foregoing the safety of the structured elements in the hope that they can contain the raw energy of creation. The only thing that can balance out Chaos is the complete stillness of nothingness.

Or

Chaos is the result of the natural laws that govern reality being broken down due to an unseen force that seeks the rewrite reality. The structure of nature and the 8 schools is the foundation of reality, which Chaos is attempting to change. Thus all 8 schools are the counter to Chaos.

Your choice. I'm sure there are more ways to say Chaos has no directly opposing school.

 

Ok, fine then.... Could one of you tell me why Chaos has ATTUNEMENT then?
Be prepared to explain to me what "negative Chaos effects" are while you're at it....

 

I think (hope) you're correct. That makes sense to me. @Chris However, I think in the case of Chaos Attunement, simply making Chaos better seems to be unbalanced to a great degree and there should be a counter weight associated with Chaos Attunement. But instead of making a complex system, I think the best counter weight would be to actually INCREASE the potential for spell backfire as you become more attune with Chaos. So yes, you can summon and control a demon, but if you're going to risk summoning the most powerful demon (by having a 100 chaos attunement) then you'll also have to risk the consequences of having a very high backfire to that spell if you get a bad roll. Meaning you may very well turn yourself into a chicken that can be one hit killed by anything.

 

Negative chaos effects are on a per-skill basis.

Having higher Chaos attunement means that those effects have a greater impact.

If Chaos Bolt can cause 2-8 points of damage to the caster in a random chance with 0 attunement, just imagine how much damage one would take if you were at 100 attunement.

 

Yes, but that assumes the spell backfires. The real risk is the percentage chance to backfire and currently the design makes that less likely the more powerful you are (assuming you take the innate ability that reduces the backfire rate). See my post above for more reference.

 

Chaos is rubbish, that is all.

 

If chaos attunment has opposing attunment then it need to have some other negative aspect.

 

Every OTHER Attunement has an OPPOSITE.

Life has Death
Earth has Air
Fire has Water

My question is, once again - what is Chaos's OPPOSITE here in our skill trees ?

In order to be negatively ATTUNED to something - there must be something to be negatively ATTUNED to....
What is Chaos's "opposite" ?

Methinks we need an ORDER tree here.......

 

I assume chaos has no opposite like the other schools of magic, It has to work with the other schools for the Juxtapose spells. lower attunement means you have more of a chance of a backfire happening to you, what the backfire effect will be who knows.

 

I understand that in some fiction, Chaos and Order oppose, but it seems like, according to the references RG made multiple times during the Winter Telethon, that the Virtues oppose Chaos.

The mobius with a line through it is the Virtue symbol, and I think it and the three overlapping circles are meant to be Chaos' opposite.

 

That's all well and good I suppose, but here in our Skill "Trees" Chaos has no opposite "Tree" like every other "Tree" that contains an "Attunement".

Personally, I hate "Attunement" because it makes us choose between being "mediocre" in two "Trees" - or - strong in one and weak in the other.
Picking a tree and knowing that it's "opposing" tree will be nerfed to me - stinks - IMO, of course.

 

I'm sure part of this will be revealed or better explained with the story elements too

 

I love the attunement system because it puts limits on power and gives a built in counter to an otherwise unbalanced system. I agree with you that Chaos needs an appropriate counter weight, it's the whole reason the attunement system makes any sense.

 

I wasn't picking that up at all from the Telethon. I believe the Dark Lords are opposite the virtues, not Chaos.

 

Only those too filled with the zeal of order would assume that Chaos is in opposition to something.

Chaos simply is, and from that we build the world.

@Amber Raine


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Oh and this has been covered in early deep dives and hangouts but not refered to in about a year or so.
One part of it is definately in the wait and see with a big grin from Richard so probably story related.

 

How so?
And why would you love "limits" on power?