Two questions one cup

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  1. Juzzie

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    I have a couple of questions. < the cup

    Cooking with the week long buff you can buy with crowns will cooking be needed? Currently there are the week long store bought buffs, the alchemy buffs, the player owned town buffs and now the food buffs. Thats alot of buffs imop.

    Ive seen this pop up and I dont understand it, makers mark being applied to every Item. Shouldnt this be applied only to well made items? I get spoons useage on books, but books aside if I make a well made something I would take time to mark it not a poorly made what ever. Also shouldnt this require gm level crafting?
     
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    I think the maker's mark 1. Should have a minimum skill requirement and 2: should be completely optional. This takes nothing away from crafters.

    As for buffs.. it depends on what they do. Food buffs right now only really represent functionality. What they'll actually be when the system is fleshed out is another thing altogether. We'll have to see how that progresses.
     
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    Cooking will not be required but the buffs and debuffs are supposed to be worth it. Since they are not properly in yet it is hard to know the COTO potion balance.

    Yes there will be lots of buffs. Balancing them will be an issue.

    Agreed on makers mark. There were a lot of early discussion about when and how it would be applied. (My own suggestion being that one should also be able to apply guild marking. )
    But it seems they have gone with the minimum implementation until later.
    Since it is not core I don't expect a change soon, but I do expect one eventually.
     
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    Ohh good to know ive beed really disapointed with the roll out of this. Makers mark is a pride item, but the way its used does not bestow reward for excellence. I dont think it should require gm but id have no objection to that but it should only be placed on exceptionaly made items.
     
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    One handy thing about it is you can see if the creator is selling it or if it is being upsold by a 3rd party. Or resold when a buyer is done with it. Or... or... or... many other things. I don't have a problem with people who upsell and resell but I'd choose to buy direct if I can.
     
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    I could careless who sells the item, for vanities sake I want a well made one and the crafters stamp of pride on it.
     
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    I can see no reason why it shouldn't be on every item.
    Maybe a Option to turn it off by the Maker.
     
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    The makers mark is a reward for a well made item. Pointless to be on everything made.
     
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    Is it?
    No idea, really. Thought it was just the name Tag.
     
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    Glad I was able to help (thumbs up emote)
     
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    In UO. Has not been stated as being the same in SotA
     
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    Yup, imop it has more to do with concept and application than other games that have used a similar system.
     
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    I totally understand the want to have the makers mark mean something.

    That being said, people don't hide their brand name for ten years till they are GMs in owning a Food Truck before stamping their name on the side of the truck.

    Perhaps makers mark becomes a GM mark of pride that slows item durability decay by 10%.
     
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    My point really addresses the dude that makes his first sword vrs the guy who makes a living at them. If the guy makes his first sword and the dude who has made a million both earn the makers mark stamp then whats the point of the specialist and the time investment.

    Im not really asking for a benifit just a distinction. It does not even need to be tied to gm any exceptionaly made item. So the level 1 dude still has a chance but the gm will make them stamped more frequently.
     
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    Great, thanks yall!
     
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    I tend to agree with @PK U that the makers mark should not be something on every crafted item. Instead, only those who truly master the craft to a certain degree should have the makers mark.
     
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    I think Maker's Mark after every item crafted sounds like a fabulous idea.
     
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    I can see merit in both sides of this discussion. On the one hand I like to know who made stuff (including if it is something that I made that went missing).

    On the other hand I can see the benefit in having some kind of distinctive mark for well made items.

    I don't have an answer.
     
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    When it comes to books I think it's easier to think about it, but I think that one can extrapolate.

    So with a book I'd like to have both the printer and the author.
    So the makers mark then becomes the printer/publisher. But after that as the author I'd want to Sign the item.

    If we extrapolate that I'd want something similar for all items.

    So both a makers mark but also an Engrave/Sign/Stamp function.

    That way a master could sign the finest gear.
    And the smith teaming up with the enchanter can add the extra name so both are represented.
    While a crafters guild could stamp all their crafters' output.

    And we could Engrave our best result to give it a nickname like "Uthbert" or "Evilsbane" or "Needle".

    Just some thoughts.

    Or one could have it as one of those options
    "Only put Makers Mark on exceptional result?" Y/N
     
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    So, the name of the maker, the name of the enchanter, an optional guild name, an optional name for the weapon and an optional stamp for exceptional gear. Got it. :)

    I hope there's room for all that on DeathSpike, my exceptionally crafted dagger that was enchanted by Eggbert the Thoughtful.
     
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