Archery "adjustments"

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  1. Mishikal

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    My transfer ratio has gone from .5 to .7 on air shield

    The biggest change seems to be charged shot. So far I haven't gotten above ~450 crits, when before I could crit ~800+ pretty regularly.
     
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    That is scary!

    So we all should be Fire Mages? The build that can play solo against high end mobs at the lowest adventuring experience level?

    Can any other build other than Fire Mage solo everything at as low a level as a Fire Mage can?
     
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    So gone through 2 zones now, the highest crit I got was @ 560.

    The worse thing though is that for some reason a lot of my crits with charge shot are in the 50-60 range... less than the base damage of my bow... wtf???
     
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    In my last battle, my crits were:

    85, 58, 54, 52, 31, 60. :)

    This is against Tikaios who must put some sort of buff on I guess. But they weren't that low last patch. So it has a further negative effect against some mobs.
     
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    Against ghosts that don't have the buff, I got:

    244, 194, 324, 222, 118, 121
     
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    :(

    I checked my /stats last night so I could get 2 decimal point numbers. With Moon Worship (+10 dex), it was 0.61. Without Moon Worship, it was 0.63. I'll compare that tonight.
     
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    I'm less concerned with this. I typically use auto-attack with charged skills.

    More concerning to me is that Chris said he would be nerfing Aimed Shot in the future.
     
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    Well, as I've only been using charged shot with the switch, it certainly makes my build fairly useless to get an ~50% damage reduction. ;)
     
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    This is what happens when you let something be in game for too long before fixing it. People get used to it, change their whole playstyle and build around it, start loving it because it kicks ass, start telling new players to use it, then are devastated when it changes. Fixes need to be quicker.

    I saw a non-tactics spec player crit a 3-bar charged shot for 1300ish last week... That isn't and wasn't intended.

    As for air shield, 0.1-0.3 is no longer possible which is good as it made some all but invincible (as in going AFK against a dragon and taking 0 damage). I'm not sure nerfing dex buffs/stats across the board for all players instead of air shield would have been better... just more affected players.
     
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    Have you bugged it? If your output went down by 50% or more, clearly there is something else that came into play.

    It sounds stupid, but maybe the reduction in damage per tick is currently being added onto one another, making a total out of it instead of being the total outcome each tick?
     
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    I'll agree fixes need to be quicker, but I think there still remains a significant overall issue when a basic play style (fighting as an archer, say ranged + light armor which I did originally) is such a tedious pain as to encourage one to not play the game. I.e., I'll agree charged shot air ranger was very powerful, and it does seem in the extreme cases, over powered. Now we appear to be swung significantly in the opposite direction.

    Overall I wish this game luck, but until they can find some remote way to make this game enjoyable to play as PvE (in my case) or PvP (in other people's case), it's going to have a difficult time. I wasn't kidding that this was the first time since persistence (what, 3 years?) that I'd actually enjoyed XPing. I don't have the time to play 18 hours/day, 7 days/week, I get *maybe* 2 hours a couple of nights on week nights, and maybe 4-6 hours on the weekend. Outside of UT which gets exceptionally boring, there's little on offer for me to want to participate in. It was really fun to be able to go to NW blackblade and kill dragons.
     
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    It's the combination of the damage reduction and the issue that you would immediately get two ticks to start off rather than one. He could've just fixed that issue and left the damage calculation alone.
     
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    Say whaaat?! But...but have a classless system,. So you can be what you want to be and always suc..be bad. Unless you use magic or reach a ridicules level in your skills. :rolleyes:
     
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    I play fantasy games to ultimately feel like a hero. Every time they nerf ranged (and historically there have been a lot) I instead feel like a chump.
     
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    (Psst, maybe if we can get it even lower we can get Chris to make it so that all bows hit 2 targets as well, something to think about;))
     
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    Sweet. Then we'll only do half the damage of a two handed sword, which also hits two targets (or is it three?).

    [edit] Ranged probably already (before the nerf) did half the damage of a two handed sword.
     
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    Not sure, i'm a ranger afterall. Hoping for 3 though:D
     
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    Yep, I had an air mage for the longest time and had it to the point where I could just stand and take it all and regen my health and focus. It was broken. I dont play Air currently, but still testing other builds. there are a few really powerful ones out there with the right skills and levels :)
     
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    @Barugon @Mishikal @Whoever else.

    30 Days ago I warned pretty much all of you of this exact nerf incoming, I clearly said

    At that time, I was talking of a 15% DPS nerf on archery, so this is not a surprise, we were warned a whole 30 days before it actually happened. Now like I said, if you DPS dropped by more than 50%, there is clearly something wrong. If what Barugon says about the double tick on startup, it can either mean two things, either A. There was an extra tick generated (so 9 ticks total (1 count double)) or B. instead of charging 8 ticks you only needed to charge 7. Here is the result of both :

    A. 9 Ticks = 3.55x More damage than an auto-attack. At 1.44 seconds per full charge, this means 2.46x the DPS
    B. 8 Ticks = 3.2 More damage than an auto-attack. At 1.26 seconds per full charge, this means 2.54x the DPS

    Now, unless he changed it way differently, this would still mean now we are getting 1.9x the DPS. Compared to example A, this results in a 23% damage nerf, and compared to example B, it would result in a 25% damage nerf. This is still nowhere near the 50% Mishikal is talking about.

    So clearly, a bug is happening if it is that bad, but like I said, we were warned 30 days ago.
     
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    Doesn't mean we have to like it or be quiet about it.
     
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