Below are my numbers when mining ore in the Present Verdantis Mines and the New Serpent Spine Mines. These numbers are based on my mining skills and speed in mining. No Obsidian Potions were used. I would expect any ones numbers would vary from my umbers in some measure. In other words they are not precise because the variables (mining Skill, experience, etc.) are not constant for all players. I did Verdantis Mine on my own, killing all the MOBs on the way down to the bottom of the mine. The new Serpents Mine was done with the help of 2 other Avatars who helped kill the MOBs on the way down to the lowest level but who did not participate in mining any of the ore. The time is based on going from the top of each mine to what could be called the bottom, checking out all areas on the way down. I used Verdantis mine as an illustration of what the old Serpents Spine Mine was like prior to the change since Verdantis is basically a clone of the old Serpents Spine Mine. Verdantis Mine - 12:35pm - 1:34pm (59 Minutes) 1st Level - Kobolds/Skeletons: Copper Nodes - 10, Silver Nodes - 3, Crystal Nodes - 0 2nd Level - Kobolds/Satyr/Earth Elem: Copper Nodes - 11, Silver Nodes - 0, Crystal Nodes - 19 3rd Level - Earth Elementals: Copper Nodes - 0, Silver Nodes - 13, Crystal Nodes - 15 Total: Copper Nodes: - 21, Silver Nodes - 16, Crystal Nodes - 34 Total Ore Nodes: Copper/Silver 37 Total Nodes Verdantis Mine: All Nodes 71 Actual Ore Mined: Copper/Silver: Copper 54, Silver 42 All Ore Mined in Time Above.: 96 New Serpents Spine Mine. 11:21pm - 12:58am (1 hour 37 minutes) Platform 1 and Entrance: Iron Ore - 0, Silver Ore - 0 , Crystals - 0, Clay - 0 Platform 2: Iron Ore - 1, Silver Ore - 0, Crystals - 0, Clay - 0 Water Turn On Level: Iron Ore - 4, Silver Ore - 0 Crystals - 14, Clay - 3 Platform 3: Iron Ore - 0, Silver Ore - 1, Crystals - 0, Clay - 0, Platform 4: Iron Ore - 5, Silver Ore - 1, Cystals - 0, C lay - 0 +2 Iron Ore in Chest Platform 5: Iron Ore - 0, Silver Ore - 0, Crystals - 0, Clay - 0, Water Area Level 2: Iron Ore - 15, Silver Ore - 0, Crystals - 14, Clay - 0 Spindrift Passage Area: Iron Ore - 2, - Silver Ore - 0, Crystals - 5, Clay - 0 Brittany Passage: Iron Ore - 1, Silver Ore - 0, Crystals - 1, Clay - 0 Equitas Passage: Iron Ore - 0, Silver Ore - 0, Crystals - 3, Clay - 0 Bottom Lich/Skeleton Area (No Way Out) : Iron Ore - 6, Silver Ore - 3, Crystals - 7, Clay - 0 Total Nodes: Iron Ore Nodes - 32, Silver Ore Nodes - 4, Crystals Nodes - 44, Clay Nodes - 3 Total: All Nodes - 83 +2 Iron Ore in Chest. Actual Ore Mined: Iron Ore - 45 Includes +2 from chest, Silver Ore - 10 All Ore Mined in Time Above.: - 55 Mining Differences: New Serpent Spine Mine Time To Bottom - 91 Minutes, Verdantis Mine Time To Bottom - 59 Minutes Time Difference (Longer for Serpents Mine) - 32 Minutes. New Serpent Spine Ore Extracted: - 55 Ore Verdantis Mine Time To Bottom : - 96 Ore Ore Mined in Times Shown (Verdantis Mine more Ore in Less Time) - 41 Ore In Summary for mining for 32 minutes longer in the New Serpent Spine Mines I extracted less than half of what I would have extracted in the old Serpent Spine Mines. In addition in the new Serpent Spine Mines I was assisted by two other Avatars who took care of the MOB's. Without that help and on my own I would estimate you could add another 30 minutesor more to the time in the New Sepent Spine Mine. In addition the Bottom level with a Lich and Hardened Skeletons is going to be far too dificult for one fairly trained individual, let alone there is no way out of the mine from there. That consists of 16 Nodes that are virtually impossible to mine for an average player. So basically new Serpent Spine Mine which is beautiful in design is as far as mining is concerned useless. It is no wonder more and more players are checking this area off their list for mining. This makes mining for Iron Ore here basically non existent. And now they intend to do the same thing with the Verdantis Mine and Copper? I am now totally confused. I have no idea what they want or are trying to accomplish and their answers are bordering on a total lack of understanding the difference between boring, grinding monotony and a feeling of the fun of accomplishment and reward for having completed a specific task. In talking to a couple of GM Blacksmiths,the number of Ore needed to make a Copper or Iron Ore, halfway decent +1 (highest durability) Suit with 2 Masterworkings and 2 Enchantments would be approximately 3000 Ore. To make the same suit with an enhanced metal would take approximately 6000 Ore. The Total on such a Suit would make it a +7 - +9. Not anywhere near a top end Suit of lets say +14 or more. Extracting ore from the old Serpents Mine to get this much ore would have taken approximately 30 hours (3000 Ore / 96 Ore = 31.25 Trips * 59 Minutes = 1843.75 minutes / 60 = 30.7 Hours). To get enough Ore for a Meteoric, White Iron, Constantine, Bronze etc would take approximately 60 hours. All for just one suit. Forget the idea of making suits for anyone else. Extracting Ore from the New Serpent Spine Mines to get the same ore needed for above would take approximately 84 hours. (3000 Ore / 55 = 54.54 Trips * 91 Minutes = 5054.14 Minutes / 60 = 84.23 Hours). To get enough Ore for a Meteoric, White Iron, Constantine, Bronze etc. would take approximately 168 Hours. If I were a Blacksmith I'd tell customers to go get their own Ore and bring it to me. The only good thing about these changes to these two mines for me at least is I will be spending far less real dollars on buying COTA's for Obsidian Potions of Capacity, Expedience and Precision. For the amount of time involved for such little ore it is not worth buying these potions. After several Original Forum Posts with hundreds comments and likes on the uselessness of the new Serpent Spine Mine as a Mine, one would think that someone in @Devs, would care.