PvP town and Banning Permissions, Does it cross the line?

As I understood it, no lot bans were available but the town owner could still ban someone from the scene.

 

can you find me that link? I sure would love to be privy to this information. I have a hard time finding info on these forums for some reason.

 

I'll digress in the interest of not sparing in circles.

I do not have a link and I think you'll be hard pressed to find an official dev post on it. They made it clear in the R22 patch notes rough draft thread that the preference is to not post details on game mechanics because it incites too many questions and complaints. Instead they let us test it in-game for ourselves, then receive comments post player exposure.

Speaking of which... You should be able to test it in your own pvp town correct?

 

I do not like talking in circles of course. I will have to look at the R22 patch notes. I changed my pvp town to a pve town because before they had said there would be no banning in PVP towns. I want to do RP guild warfare and did not want to be griefed with it so I went pve. Now they change the rules again. Not sure what to do now. I have to weigh my options. But instead of wanting bans for pvp I made the choice to go pve because it suited my scenario better instead of changing something to suit my scenario. Hope that makes sense.

 

Yeah, I'm also hoping guild warfare will be allowed in PVE environments as it is for pvp flagged people in NPC towns today. I used to RP as a Dark Elf (Drow) and we were at war with the filthy orc horde. It was pretty awesome.

 

I played Orc

 

I'm seeing a lot of no bans, report the problematic people instead. That makes sense for a subscription game. This is not one. How much post-launch individual (not automatic or player-controlled) gming is financially reasonable to expect?

 

As an RP PvPer I could see how unwarranted expulsion from a scene would be a real bummer and I understand the concern toward that possibility. The good news here is I have faith in this dev team and who knows, its possible they have a third option in mind that will work to quash concerns of both perspectives.

Fingers crossed.

 

Is Diablo II even a good comparison? Hacking was rampant and there was no preventative GMing; but that game had too much of the data on the client side making it super vulnerable.

Anyway, good point, I think the answer is very little, the bare bones nature of the current dev team is a good indicator. They have discussed, even from the beginning of game design that mechanics to detect anomalies are in place but I have no clue to what extent they can detect exploits or what happens when they do.

 

Very interesting stuff folks.

 

I think this is a perfect time to give everyone a lesson. Memorize these definitions. You may not like them, but they are true 90% of the time:

Ganker [gank-er] n. Someone better than you in PvP

Griefer [gree-fer] n. Someone better than you in PvP

Troll [trohl] n. Someone with better arguments

 

Hopefully they do something different. I have made a list of pros and cons of PvP player town banning.

Cons:
1. Its the same effect as invisible walls.
2. In pvp players are prone to using advantages to their discretion. Most wont but some will "absolute power corrupts absolutely."
3. It does away with community participation and takes away from communities policing themselves. One of the advantages of PvP is that you can openly attack others and remove players by force. In PvE the ban is needed as combat in this game is consensual and you cannot do anything to remove the player.
4. How will this effect guild wars?
5. how will this affect contraband quests? EX. if the carrier of a contraband quest item goes into the pot you are banned from.

Pros:
1. It gives instant ban powers to players
2. It can remove anyone that is perceived by the management by force of game mechanics instead of using the force of pvp at hand.

 

I try to be as in the middle as I can with most questions people bring up even if I feel far left or far right in my personal thoughts .... looking at the question as it stands and the state of the game ... I would say no, PvP towns can not Ban.

 

Maybe we can get a punkbuster variation that detects the apps the banned player is using and if nothing is out of the ordinary a giant dinosaur defecates on the governor who banned him Ark style...



... no?

 

not sure what all that means but its funny as hell lol.

 

I hate when the title question is opposite of the poll question.

Anyway, I like banning permissions for towns and lots, it makes managing griefing at events possible by players and devs cannot be everywhere all the time. I am sure that NO ONE has to ban ANYONE. If you do not like banning, so not ban anyone in your town. But give people option to ban from their city and if you do not like it, do not go there.

Would be nice, if there was option to voluntarily give up banning option and declare town in such a way.

 

Not all PvP is set up where everything goes. I think part of the appeal of owning your own town is hosting events where folks need to follow certain rules that everyone is expected to honour, it would be awful to have the PvP event completely spoiled by someone or a group intent on creating chaos.

 

Can I ask you what you mean? The question in the title is : pvp town and banning, permissions, does it cross the line? and the poll answers are Yes, No, and I dont care. The poll is directly related to the title. This thread is about pvp town ban permissions. Not pve town permissions.

 

What is the purpouse of holding an event in a pvp town? Everyone is flagged by consent right? Everyone is freely attack-able right? So why would you ban people that try to attack you. It breaks pvp severely. I wish you could understand this. If you want safety have your events in a pve town.

 

Title: PvP town and Banning Permissions, Does it cross the line? My answer is: No
Poll: Do you like pvp towns to have banning permissions? My answer is: Yes

Do you see what I mean?