A conversation starter: In game nudity

Seems like this game has an adult crowd anyhow i doubt any age restrictions would hamper much. As for not reading its not that i dont read the post its that my memory is that of primordial soup and my points i want to make are fleeting

I wouldnt worry about other countries havig problems with some artful nudity or a bit of raunch. Id call it artistic license and let them do what they want with it they wont lose that many ppl in those countries

 

How would you toggle other avatars having clothes or no clothes on? Underwear? (that would work I guess)

As some one else mentioned...the number of people that would run around naked "just cause they can" would ruin any immersion for me.

/shrug

 

They could alway apply a debuf or something to disuade ppl from doing it. Or they could just make it naked for the player and appear in underwear to everyone else. Or just take nudity out of player control and not have it controllable by players and just use it for ingame story telling or something

Or they could just blur it out to everyone like it is on american tv. Id rather see blurred pixels than underwear that looks like i dialer that isnt even customizeable

 

Nude people, people in underwear or blurred pixels would all be immersion destroying for me, and I suspect many other players.
Nudity in context - fine. I would not be surprised to see nude bodies on altars in dungeons, for example. In the main square? I would expect a commotion and the person involved to be immediately arrested.

 

I'd tolerate in-game nudity if you're flagged for PvP until the guards either arrest you or kill you.

With that said, thinking there wouldn't be a problem because you don't think it's that much of a big deal is an odd way to look at it.

Any game feature a designer might be considering has to go through a simple thought process:
- What does it add to the game?
- What are the downsides?
- Are the downside negligible enough?

SotA is a game; its sole purpose is for its players to have fun. Nudity in-game CAN be a detriment to fun so it makes NO SENSE what-so-ever to implement it.

Put pornography and "running around naked to ruin everyone's fun" aside for a moment. Do you really want women characters (or actual women for that matter) to be harassed in-game by other players asking them to take off their in-game clothing? "Yeah but, if there's a rule in the game that~" No! Just the mere possibly makes it a nightmare! No rules that could be implemented would be able to protect the players.

You call it "artistic license", I call it "unpragmatic" as it doesn't really add anything to the game for the MANY problems it can cause.

 

Simple fix. Block and report. Harrasment is going to happen regardless. Rg and crew wants a livingbreathing world and it would enhabce more than detract. Keep in mind generally we are a mature community.

Confronting long held sociteal taboo that makes no sense is an altruistic bonus. It would help rp like if i am chaos i might decide to fight without pants or go streaking. The game needs leeway for expressive humor. Emotes are boring. Break barriers and pioneer like rg is known for.

And if one doesnt like it there could always be normal diaper mode. People wrongly assume worst case scenario and that it it is dirty and wrong but a lot of people like nudists and other personalities would tend to respect it and be mature.

To sun it up. Haters are gonna hate no matter whst you do but if you hold back forging into the unknown the haters win. Im usually pessimistic but life is too short and optimism is so much worthwhile

Ppl do lewd crude things no matter what so procedures should adapt and still uphold integrity by punishing violators. The game is light on humor and i know its alpha but what scares people so much about pixels arranged in certain ways. Its not real. Its part of life and sould be reflected as such

 

Blurred would at least be funny

 

That's a subjective point of view.... like your: adding boats would attract that many new buyers that it would finance itself. Or your: news headlines would make up for losing publishing rights in international markets

So, what about the 12 year old kid? I mean, he can't play due to nudity...

Ahhh fighting without pants is roleplay... fine, role play losing your legs. You know chain bikinis and such... as useless as fighting naked. And I don't see where nudity equals humor.

Yeah sure, the majority of internet users and gamers are respectful and mature. Can't you see how fundamentally wrong that statment is?

 

So what rating do you think SotA will have?

Rating Categories

EARLY CHILDHOOD
Content is intended for young children.

EVERYONE
Content is generally suitable for all ages. May contain minimal cartoon, fantasy or mild violence and/or infrequent use of mild language.

EVERYONE 10+
Content is generally suitable for ages 10 and up. May contain more cartoon, fantasy or mild violence, mild language and/or minimal suggestive themes.

TEEN
Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

MATURE
Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

ADULTS ONLY
Content suitable only for adults ages 18 and up. May include prolonged scenes of intense violence, graphic sexual content and/or gambling with real currency.

RATING PENDING
Not yet assigned a final ESRB rating. Appears only in advertising, marketing and promotional materials related to a game that is expected to carry an ESRB rating, and should be replaced by a game's rating once it has been assigned.

 

Likely Teen from what I've seen so far. Wouldn't take much to take it to M with some of the dialog and choices (such as killing children). and the disclaimer: "Online interactions aren't rated".

 

At some point you have to stop worrying about the rating if you think an m rating keeps underage kids from playing them then you are mistaken. Ive never seen any kid have problems buying an m rated game.

Look how popular gta is and its always had mature rating. If anything the game will speak for itself.

Where is the humor in nudity? Not just having it but think of the emotes. (/helicopter comes to mind). Some people like adult humor. What is wrong with a kids parents actually being responsible and teaching them the proper way to adress sexuality and the earlier those kind of convos happen between child and parent the better it will be for society as a whole.

Or if they dont want them to use a filter or a child proofing program that doesnt let them see it. If adults dont monitor their kids then the net is too dangerous for my future offspring.

And i never said internet users are mature l2 read. I said we are a mature community cthe sota community. The children playing this game will be minimal anyway. Its too complex and brainy for children anyway the combat is too complex etc its not user friendly for children which i like that is the reason i dislike archeage is the community of immature 12 year old types. The fewer kids the better. Not that i dislike them but most of the time they follow a very annoyig pattern of behavior that just makes being around them a pain unless they are mature eniugh to act like adults

At some pint u have to stop worrying about revenue and make the cool game. They have no publisher so they dont have that annoyance. I mean its a mature themed game overall so why not have some mature things.

So they might get banned in a few coutries if its that big of a deal they can turn in diaper mode permanantly. Fixed problem. No ban and still get the revenue.

I think some of us are just more creative and have different senses of humor. But i dont know anyone who wouldnt crack up at a guy ir girl being creative. There could eventually be heredity and offspring/her system id like to see where ur alts are yiur offspring. Geaneology is really neat. And how do we make offspring. Go inti a dark room and out comes a baby magically. To me havung nudity is not only socially responsible its a duty and honorable thing to teach ppl abiut virtues. Imagien how the virtues would tie into romantic types of encounters.

Too much good content to give up cuase a bunch of naive people are too upgight.

 

Well, in my opinion not a really mature sense of humor....

Might be so at the moment (and I'm not totally sure about it), but you will get the usual crowd once the game goes live.

Yeah, that was totally mature and not offensive at all.

Well yes, some ppl are more creative than others, and yes sense of humor varies, but nudity isn't a sign of pure and utter creativity, at least fo me it's not.

Yeah sure, we totally need nudity for a in-game offspring system, riiiight.

Too much good content? All you've said so far is streaking, the helicopter and such. And the naive and uptight part, again not offensive at all.

And since this is the third thread you didn't handle in any mature way I have to assume your're trolling again, so I'll just stop feeding.

 

Hey im entitled to my opinion so we differ it doesnt make either of us factually wrong. I dont care about offending people they are too sensitive anyway this carebare politically correct everyone gets a medal mentality is ruining society. I didnt say we needed nudity just for offsprig sustem but it would make sense since rg wants an authentic experince. What is so offensive with nudity?

Just because some people will do stupid things and get banned doesnt mean it shouldnt be in. Obviously you cant see past the immature mentality to see that it can be done artful and humorous without being offensve and like i said if you dont like it then dont use it just because you have unrealistic sensibilities about human nature doesnt mean those that can deal with it should forego a unique gameplay experince and rp opportunity.


Do i habe to explain every thing you could do with it. Or are you just a non creative type. Age of conan had it and it was fine. Its time western civilation deal with its perverse view of natural human form.

We have a hyper sexualized society cu can hear cusswords on tv all the time. See completely naked or crude things on tv when just channel surfing im guessing the average youngster has seen more than u think.

Its not trolling its a debate so far i fail to see how ur personal hangups merit this not being implimented.

Like i say if u dont like it turn the feature off
Just think if some ofcthe great artists had your mentality wed be at a cultural loss.

 

They likely wont even need to get an ESRB rating since they aren't going to be selling the game in retail stores. So they could really cut loose if they desire.

 

Its not like i want it to serve no purpose and just have it to be considered tacky and pornographic. It can be implimented tastefully

Just because one may consider it porn doesnt mean everyone else is a dirty minded gutter brain.

I dont see if u can toggle it of it doesnt exist for you so other than wanting to be domineering and narrow minded why would u opose something that wouldnt affect you

 

Ok I said I wouldn't do it, but here is a last final bite:

Please enlighten me where can't I handle the debate, I go through the pain of answering to nearly all your seperate statments, and while you claim that you are entiteled to your opinion, it sure seems you want me to deny me mine.

On the other hand, you seem not to think twice about what I say and why I say it. I made it a huge point, that I want a clean game that sells easily. While you say it's no biggy to forgo international markets. On the other hand you complained about crowdfunding and features that are not in the game but you think you have a right to. Now in that context has it crossed your mind, that better sales mean better funding for episode 2 and might result in faster implementation of strech goals? (just an example)

You talk about the mature community, and promote yourself as a part of it, but everything I heard from you on the part of nudity and it's uses are:

That's not creative, that's not artistic, that's pure and simply immature.

And if we go back to your comment about kids/teens:

If I'm judgemental, you want to tell me what that is? I'm pretty sure you're judging here, and not in a very mature way, more like a teen who is annoyed by his kid brother.

So yeah I'm judging you, I think you handled this debate very immature. Not a single creative or artistic argument, while you claim there are so many, but since I'm an uncreative guy I just can't see them - so why is it, that you failed so utterly in enlightening me?

And why do I have to stop judging you, when you so easily judge me:

You see, while you mostly disregard what I write entirely and judge me anyways, I actually read your stuff, comment on it, and base my opinion about you on it. But like I said in my last post, I'm done feeding you.

 

I base my perceptions, not judgements on how ppl act. And you have had this holier tha. Thou attitude like im stupid.

You worry about revenue too much. Every reason i give you dismiss it while i thought about yours. I orefer factual arguments nt speculation. Ever heard of venus de milo. Guess what its naked girl and famius art. Ur oreception is all wring i said multiple times it could be toggleable if u are scared of nudity. Im not saying there needs to be humping.



Not a sigle creative or artistic argument. U need to read again. Sire hereditary system. Funny humorous quest options. Im not going to write a book about what you could do with it you just seem like a debbie downer pessimistic.

You dont answer my valid questions such as why you would be so fervent and confrontational about something u could not even experience. I also DO have a right to complain as its more. Beneficial than doing nothing or kissing up

As far as not liking kids its my right id rather play with adults.

 

There is no need for complete nudity...period. Any humor can still be had with underwear on. This isn't famous art, it's a game. No one is "scared" of nudity.

 

Well there is no need for a lot of things but this is a game of wants and who doesnt want their lives enriched by art? Noo ? If you consider anything nude inappropriate then one might have to ask if said person is uncultured.


Again you guys always leave my point that renders your wntire argument worthless bever gets answered

If you can toggle on diaper mode why do you care what someone else does that has no impact on u
Judging by the opposition you are scared of something.

This game is about compromise and since your an absolutist its will never get accomplished ts like a hampster wheel. Around we go

As for morgnes your assumptions are futile and counterproductive. Why do you bash me for my views? That is immaturity. Bringing up old conversations you werent even a part of just to be rude. I was perfeclty polite and u just bash cause you dont like what i say my view on kids has nothig to do with the topic boy i hope u never join a debate team

Guess what i dont have any siblings. So make some worthwhile points

 

If the character graphics are held client side, then wouldn't it just be a client-side toggle? So if someone wants to run around a city naked, they might see themselves naked, but others would see them with their pasted-on undies.

By the same token, if the character graphics ARE client side (I'm not sure of this, but assuming they are), then how long can we realistically expect it to take for a player-made "nude patch" (if that is even remotely feasible)?