Indestructable Tools of Prosperity for Sale Indefinitely?

I noticed that the indestructible Tools of Prosperity are still for sale in the store. I had figured these would be removed from the store along with the expiration of pledges and the indestructible tools that came with them.

Are indestructible tools going to be for sale indefinitely?

If there is constant source of indestructible tools then isn't it likely that most crafters will eventually end up with tools that never need to be repaired or replaced? Is that a good idea?

 

There are craftable versions of the tools that have desirable bonuses which should give people reason enough to use them. The indestructible ones will certainly be helpful prior to obtaining these tools or if you don't feel like having to constantly repair the more powerful crafted ones.

 

Ok, so the crafted tools that wear out are much better than the indestructible ones? If so, that makes sense. What exactly is better about them? Is there a wiki page with specific stat bonuses the crafted ones can have over the indestructible ones?

 

Here is a good comparison.

https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/forum/index.php?threads/engraving-effects.58448/#post-620210

 

After reviewing those pickaxes I'm not sure if the crafted pickaxe bonuses are significantly better than the indestructible Prosperity pickaxe which also has three bonuses and never breaks. But I have no experience with them.

 

Go get some and come back and let us know the results....

 

Yes, the Prosperity tools are also now in the Bundles in the bundle store - so it seems that they are a thing going forward that will not expire in a long while. Which is a good thing since new arrivals wouldn't be able to get them.

But the crafted tools are definately much much much better if you are a dedicated crafter/gatherer. However if you are more casual adventurer who does some gathering on the side then Prosperity tools are much much much more convenient.
So what we are seeing is that hardcore players use crafted ones for specific tasks which they focus on, but also combine that with prosperity/artisan tools when they are doing bulk of something on the side.
Like a miner using crafted Pickaxe with plenty spares for the extreme bonuses, but uses indestructible Sickle/Skinning/Harvest axe.
etc

 

Currently, You will want to skill up gathering with a destructable, true bronze engraved tool for the bigger bonuses and faster harvests.
After you skills are 80+ diminishing returns have kicked in hard and you can no longer measure the difference between Artisan/Prosperity/Engraved tools, so most people will use prosperity tools, for the indestructable and meticulous bonuses.

If they had more variety in the bonuses that engraving provided you would see more people using them after skilling up.
If the diminishing returns were not so severe on the swiftness bonus, you would see more people using them after skilling up.
But currently, engraved tools are a temporary boost you discard later.
(e.g. at 96 mining, 94 swiftness mining, and 94 meticulous mining, a true bronze pick axe raises my chance at success from 93% to 94%, and makes no measurable difference in my mining speed compared to my prosperity pickaxe, but my prosperity pickaxe has +3% meticulous so is currently the best after skilling up.)

Similar results for skinning, flower picking, and tree chopping.

 

Let me resurrect this thread and ask ... do either the artisan or prosperity tools confer a yield bonus, or do they only offer a better chance of success or speed bonus? Has anyone done a statistical comparison? I'm thinking about buying the prosperity pack but if there no yield bonus, maybe I won't be interested.

 

As of R36 the Prosperity tool bonuses are:

All
Indestructible

Carpentry Hammer
Smithing Hammer
Tailoring Scissors
+10% Production Time Bonus
+3% Exceptional Item Chance

Cleaver
Cubit Measure
Loom Shuttle
Tanning Knife
+10% Refinement Time Bonus
+3% Success Chance

Cooking Pot
Mortar and Pestle
Smelting Tongs
+10% Production Time Bonus
+3% Success Chance

Fishing Rod
+3% Critical Success

Harvesting Axe
Pickaxe
Sickle
Skinning Knife
+3 Survey Distance
+10% Gathering Time Bonus
+3% Meticulous Collection Chance

Hoe
+3% Success Chance

So, no yield bonuses per se, though you could argue the "+3% exceptional item chance" is a potential exceptional item yield bonus. EDIT: And I suppose the "+3% meticulous collection chance" is a potential yield bonus.

For me it's worth it purely for the indestructibility of the tools. Not so much the tool cost but the hassle of acquiring new tools when they break...

 

Pickaxe with True Bronze Engravings

+3 Mining Survey Distance
+30% Mining Gathering Time Bonus
+5 Mining Proficiency

The +30% Gathering Time Bonus is the reason why I like the engraved breakable ones... ^_^

 

I think they would sell this Add On if it had a yield bonus. What you've told me makes me think Meh. I understand there is a game balance question but if they want cash there must be a clear usefulness factor.

Thank for posting the stats by the way

 

Inspired by Kabalyero's post, I engraved some of the "primary" tools to see the bonus/penalty stats (in R36, and it cost me about 10k!). Related "classes" of tools should exhibit the same stats:

Carpentry Hammer

Silver engravings:
+15% Production time
+2% Exceptional item chance
-40 Durability

Gold engravings:
+30% Production time
+3 Proficiency
-40 Durability

Heavy Iron engravings:
+3% Exceptional item chance
-40% Production time
-10 Durability

True Bronze engravings:
+30% Production time
+5 Proficiency
-30 Durability

Cleaver

Silver engravings:
+15% Refinement time
+2% Success chance
-40 Durability

Gold engravings:
+30% Refinement time
+3 Proficiency
-40 Durability

Heavy Iron engravings:
+3% Success chance
-40% Refinement time
-10 Durability

True Bronze engravings:
+30% Refinement time
+5 Proficiency
-30 Durability

Cooking Pot

Silver engravings:
+15% Production time
+2% Success chance
-40 Durability

Gold engravings:
+30% Production time
+3 Proficiency
-40 Durability

Heavy Iron engravings:
+3% Success chance
-40% Production time
-10 Durability

True Bronze engravings:
+30% Production time
+5 Proficiency
-30 Durability

Fishing Rod

Silver engravings:
+2% Critical success chance
-40 Durability

Gold engravings:
+3 Proficiency
-40 Durability

Heavy Iron engravings:
+3% Critical success
-10 Durability

True Bronze engravings:
+5 Proficiency
-30 Durability

Pickaxe

Silver engravings:
+15% Gathering time
+2% Critical success
-40 Durability

Gold engravings:
+30% Gathering time
+3 Proficiency
-40 Durability

Heavy Iron engravings:
+3% Critical success
-40% Gathering time
-10 Durability

True Bronze engravings:
+3 Survey Distance
+30% Gathering Time
+5 Proficiency
-30 Durability

Hoe

Silver engravings:
+2% Success chance
-40 Durability

Gold engravings:
+3 Proficiency
-40 Durability

Heavy Iron engravings:
+3% Success chance
-10 Durability

True Bronze engravings:
+5 Proficiency
-30 Durability

 

I really cannot see how gold, silver, and heavy iron are useful. Placeholders? And can someone explain the difference between +gathering time, + mining gathering time, and the negative gathering time? Right now I am just looking at pickaxe for simplicity.

 

Sorry, "mining gathering time" and "gathering time" are the same as far as my list is concerned. I'll edit my list to remove that inconsistency.

Regarding the negative gathering time: presumably you gather slower to offset the increased critical success chance. Plus, it's "heavy" and therefore takes longer to use.

 

I think it's hilarious how Bronze has higher bonuses than silver or gold. Still doing things backwards I see.

 

Very simple reason actually - Bronze is an Alloy (in this game it is a combination of two metals) - Gold / Silver are not

Therefore Bronze is harder to acquire and make

So not backwards at all just simple logic - you can not apply real world value of metals to a game

 

For gathering; True bronze tools
For refining; artisan/prosp (you save a loooot of gold with refining using indestructible tools)
For gear crafting; True Bronze or artisans/prosp tools if you need craft a bunch of wolf hats, for example.

This is what I'm using right now. I also prefer to pay less for artisan and get 2 artisan tools instead of 1 prosperity.

 

I use prosperity for everything. Gathering/Production speed is kind of irrelevant, because the limiting factor in gathering is node respawn and it's trivial in production. Refinement speed is also irrelevant as the time constraint there is how long it takes for me to notice the refining batch has finished and to start a new one (because God knows I'm not going to sit there and stare at it). Harvesting failure is uncommon enough that it doesn't matter, so the only bonuses that actually do anything are meticulous collection(of which the prosperity tools have the highest bonus available) and exceptional item chance(which again, there isn't a better option).

 

Actually, the true bronze tools give 1% more Exceptional Chance than prosperity.