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Blood River Massacre without the Massacre

Discussion in 'Critical Issues (Blockers, Performance, Crashes)' started by Bedawyn, Jul 15, 2019.

  1. Bedawyn

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    07/15/2019 21:08
    Title: Blood River Massacre without the Massacre
    Reproduction Rate: 3/3
    Blocker? Not sure
    Details:

    I'm not sure this is a bug, I initially thought it was a design decision since you're sending everyone through Battle of Solace Bridge now. And different players are telling me different things about how it should work. But I have never been able to enter a scene named Blood River Massacre.

    I brought my first offline character to Blood River through the overworld a couple months ago, and she entered to what was apparently the regular Blood River permanent scene. This weekend, I brought an online character there -- initially through the rift from Solace Bridge, but after hightailing it out of there (nearly dying three times just trying to get from the rift to an exit), returned later through the overworld. Both times, I again ended up only in what appears to be the Blood River permanent scene. I can get the dagger from Villines, but there's no exit to the outskirts, no indication that the violence was recent, and the scene title is just "Blood River" with no "Massacre" to be found. No idea if there's other stuff I'm supposed to do in the Massacre scene or not, but all I can find to do here is pick up notes and letters and defend myself from wolves and a couple undead.

    Steps to Reproduce: As above

    User Specs:
    OS: Windows 10 (10.0.0) 64bit
    CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-8130U CPU @ 2.20GHz (4) System RAM: 8089
    GPU: Intel(R) UHD Graphics 620 GPU RAM: 2150
    SotA.Win.64.1008.Date.07.10.19
    Area: Novia
    Area Display Name: Novia
    Loc: (-405.5, 12.2, -99.7)
    Debug: Tm92aWF8fCgtNDA1LjUzMiwgMTIuMTg2LCAtOTkuNjUxKXwoMCwgMC4zMDksIDAsIC0wLjk1MSl8MzIzLjk2ODl8MzUuOTI5OTJ8MjA=
     
  2. liz_the_wiz

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    Is it not the burnt village?
     
  3. Bedawyn

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    Nope. Fire in Highvale and Solace Bridge, but not in Blood River.
     
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    My bad I thought the blood river start area reverted to a burnt village to go to the hut and see the guy in the hut to get the dagger.. its been a while.
     
  5. Sannio

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    @Bedawyn , the next time you go into Blood River, can you type "/loc" in your chat window and then paste the results into a reply to this thread? Behind the scenes, there are actually 3 versions of Blood River and I want to be sure I research the correct version.
     
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    @Sannio -- I'd like to give you that, but I just do NOT have the patience to send another new test character all the way through the Battle of Solace Bridge, Solace Bridge Outskirts, across the Overworld, and back through Solace Bridge again to get to the rift. I still have one alt that I wanted to send through Blood River -- the one who ought to be the mage but had to start as an archer instead -- but she's important to my personal storyline and I don't want to risk it until I know I won't be screwing her up again. None of the others are anywhere close and won't be heading there until long after this release forum closes.

    Would the same information help you if it came from the offline character who's already been there (to the non-massacre version), since I don't mind screwing her up? Or if I do it on the QA server when it goes live? Haven't used the QA server yet, but if I understand correctly, what's done there doesn't affect the main server.
     
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    Sure, it can be any of those other characters. As long as they experience the same issue.
     
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    Well, having done solace bridge, and solace bridge outskirts, I went back to solace bridge, sat by the rift, went through and arrived in the instance of the blood river I expected, where I found the guards and official waiting for me. This was on a new toon, who I made just after R67 release
     
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    Right, that sounds like Blood River, which is not the same as Blood River Massacre. Right now I'm watching a video that was only from R64, of Blood River Massacre, showing that -- just like the Battle of Highvale and Battle of Solace Bridge -- it is NOT the same scene as the permanent version with the shorter name. The starter versions are full of fire and corpses, have slightly different and easier monsters, are NAMED different, have Samael or Edvard or both present, AND they specifically send you to the outskirts when you leave. The regular Blood River, Highvale, and Solace Bridge are completely different scenes that are just set in the same geographic locations.

    That's why I'd thought that maybe they'd just turned off the Massacre version, since everyone has to go through Solace Bridge now. They can't turn off Battle of Highvale, because it's the only way to get Gawain's amulet, but the NPC at Blood River will give you the dagger even if you only arrive in the aftermath (although the NPC dialogue in Aerie still assumes that you found the dagger yourself in the Massacre scene).
     
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    however i dont believe you are supposed to see those original starter scenes unless you start there.. You are supposed to arrive at the "after math" version
     
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    @Sannio

    Okay, two offline characters, both created in the spring, but neither played since whichever release it was that decided to treat them as only one character with shared earnings.

    One started at Battle of Highvale, the other started at Battle of Solace Bridge, neither had been to any version of Blood River before.

    Char #1 entered via the Overworld to:
    Area: Blood River (Novia_R7_Forest01_Bloodriver_After) Loc: (-217.534, 64.011, -63.799) DBG: Tm92aWFfUjdfRm9yZXN0MDFfQmxvb2RyaXZlcl9BZnRlcnx8KC0yMTcuNTM0LCA2NC4wMTEsIC02My43OTkpfCgwLCAwLjQ1MiwgMCwgMC44OTIpfDUzLjY5NjU1fDEwfDEuMjU=

    Character #2 entered via the rift from Solace Bridge to:
    Area: Blood River (Novia_R7_Forest01_Bloodriver_After) Loc: (65.835, 52.397, 96.349) DBG: Tm92aWFfUjdfRm9yZXN0MDFfQmxvb2RyaXZlcl9BZnRlcnx8KDY1LjgzNSwgNTIuMzk3LCA5Ni4zNDkpfCgwLCAwLjk5MiwgMCwgLTAuMTI5KXwxOTQuNzg5OXwxMHwxLjI1

    No Massacre anywhere.


    Right, that's what I was getting different answers from different players about. And unless they changed it very recently, you DID go to the Battle of Highvale even if you'd already been to a previous starter scene. It might not have had all the same tutorial tips, I don't remember, but Highvale and Battle of Highvale are two very different scenes, there's no confusing them.
     
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    I havent seen that behavior in a long time. Like maybe 6 months.. Its always taken me to an "after" scene, so theres the "starting" scene when its all in a tither, then theres a kinda after scene but for new people starting down that road.. then the after scene proper...
     
  13. Sannio

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    Thanks for the original report and all the additional information. Issue #65293

    To clarify what's supposed to happen:
    1. If you have an old character who was allowed to start in the Blood River Massacre and never left, you're still there in the "you started here" version of that scene. Currently, avatars cannot enter this version of the scene, as all avatars are sent to the Battle of Solace Bridge.
    2. If you have a character who started in Battle of Highvale or Battle of Solace Bridge, entering Blood River will send you to the "you didn't start here" version of "Blood River Massacre."
    3. Once you complete the "Blood River Massacre" quests mentioned above in either 1 and 2, re-entering Blood River will send you to the "after" version of Blood River (the "massacre" is not present anymore).
     
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    Then indeed something is wonky as my new character who had litterally only done the solace bridge, and solace bridge outskirts went straight to option 3.
     
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    Thank you for the clarification, and for looking into this!

    So, are those quests ones that matter to the main storyline or are they just pick-this-up/escort-somebody stuff? Or side stories that my completionist self will be twitchy at missing?

    In other words: Should I keep following the issue and wait to send my main characters through there until it's resolved? Should I try to bring the online character who just finished BR Outskirts back to the Massacre at some point? Or since Villines did give her the dagger in the after version, is she safe to go on with her virtual life without ever having seen the Massacre proper? She's a supporting character who will probably never try for a shroud, so I expect it doesn't matter for her. But I'd be upset if my main character missed out on quests or lore because she couldn't get to the Massacre.

    Thanks!

    [EDIT: Went back and checked the date of the savegame with my first offline character -- it was April 24. So whatever is causing the issue here, it already existed in April and wasn't the result of recent changes.]
     
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    unlike highvale and solace bridge, getting the dagger is the only thing to do in blood river.
     
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    This is correct. There's a special dagger in Blood River Massacre you need to acquire as a critical part of the Episode 1 storyline.
     
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    But the version I get to is the aftermath with the official who has it hence this seems intentional.
     
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    Right, in the Massacre version, you're supposed to find it yourself, I believe. The fact that Villines will just give it to you in the after version was part of what was confusing me about whether this was a bug or design decision.
     
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    I figured out the issue. A small thing that helped was knowing Highvale access was working properly. While fixing Blood River Massacre, I saw that Battle of Solace Bridge access was also borked, but because all players start there these days it was basically an invisible problem. Still, fixed both scenes. The fix will be in with Release 68. Thanks everyone for the helpful info!
     
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