Since as soon as i posted the thread got closed.. I am going to re-ask my question here. I think with the free testing for SOTA going out, it would be interesting to see what people think/know the actual numbers are at. And i am unsure of what the yield of crafting EXP per hour, or the ADV exp per hour one can gain at lower levels and with all the changes. Im curious how long you think it would take for a new player, starting today. To get to a point they can compete with - A - The best crafters in the game ( Using the same materials, making a sword on par with what some of the crafters can do now) (This includes the time needed to level to the point of GATHERING said materials as well ) 100 Blacksmithing.. 100 Masterworking.. 50 specialized masterworking. 100 Alchemy.. 100 enchanting B - lets say.... @2112Starman in PVP. (ADV level 94 i think he said he is? ) Earth magic. C - Get to the point of Duo - ing the dragon/Phoenix/Daemon with someone of their Equal level. 2 guys, w.e builds.. able to do all 3 with said characters ( if its 100 hours for the phoenix, but 100 different hours for the daemon, thats 200 total ) Just blatent hours put in to hit the point of doing these 2 things, with and also without assistance. I'd love some people with some realistic insight on these questions! EDIT - BONUSE POINTS- if you run the numbers as a SOLO player for the examples, and agian with assistance. 2nd edit!!! - This is not a discussion over *Why would you want to compete! Play solo! * This is purely for what you think the numbers are.