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Discussion in 'Release 29 Feedback Forum' started by r-DotPhunky, May 24, 2016.

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  1. r-DotPhunky

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    Question: Why do I need to wait for a second whole cycle of <insert gathering skill> to complete a meticulous collection?

    It would seem to me that if I did roll a "bonus" on the collection that I'm actually being penalized as I now have to wait twice as long to complete the action. I get the idea behind why we wait for the cycle twice - but I truly think it comes off as a penalty.

    I'd like to suggest a compromise between the two.

    The animation for a swing of the pickaxe seems to take about ~2 seconds to complete. Using this as a baseline, my suggestion would be to add ~4 seconds (two swings) to the gathering time per level of meticulous collection. This way we still wait a bit longer to get the extra resources... but it's not an obnoxious event to behold.

    Thanks for reading!
     
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    Why? Because the stick is more fun than the carrot, apparently? o_O

    There's no logical reason for the punitive implementation of meticulous gathering. You can't get the same rares, you don't get more XP, and you can't crit meticulous. It's also been nerfed down to I think a 17% chance at halfway to the old soft-cap (75/150) so it's apparent they feel it's overpowered for some reason.

    Sadly, all of this conflicts with requiring hundreds of basic resources (ore/ cotton/ leather/wood ) for a single set of armor or weapon, so it's rather confusing what their ultimate design goal really is.

    To directly answer your question though, it's probably old/stale/hard-coded values in the code (rather than lookups), as a consequence of attempting to balance harvesting times against the moving target of crafting changes, and failing badly.
     
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    harvesting rates are being looked at, and the idea behind meticulous is only to get more resources out of a limited supply without having to wait for respawn. You used to be able to get crits on meticulous harvest as well, i havent paid much attention lately
     
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    You can still crit on meticulous.

    I'm less concerned about the rares and time (being meticulous about something does take time), but i really hope they address the xp downside soon.
     
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    Nothing worse than getting the meticulous triggered as the wolf respawns and takes notice of you. Get interrupted during the second cycle and you get NOTHING!
    Happened way too many times... sorry for the loud word.
     
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    During your meticulous if you see a respawn take a step away. you can just loot the harvest and receive what you had acquired, without losing it all ( you wont get the bonus unless you finish) this is EXTREAMLY helpful if your on met 8 or 9 and something spawn.. least you get the base + first 7
     
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    My daily life in the mines: A mining I will go... a mining I will go... ahhh crap meticulous collection.... *earth element spawns* C'MON!! :)


    This is true - you can step away and get whatever meticulous items you have so far - I have to be fair in my criticism and say that this is true.


    When one is running about 65% success on silver nodes and the mining takes 40+ seconds per pass... a MC x3+ has you waiting for 2+ minutes all while a respawn timer ticks away. I've had experiences where I kill a mob... start a harvest - and it respawns before I even finish the MC I've rolled. Ooof.
     
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    Are you certain?

    I've never seen a shorter harvesting time on a multiple Meticulous.. Have I been unlucky for over a year?
     
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    In the current Implementation meticulous is a bad thing on some skills.
    I'm thinking about dropping it completely on Mining, better to not have it proc and move on to the next node.
    Foraging, and Tree chopping where the nodes are much futher apart, I'll probably keep it.
     
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    I am moderately sure. However, i am not likely going mining today so i will not be checking.
     
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    I hate meticulous tools, even without time gathering penalty, you get meticulous and have to wait extra 30 seconds each time, worrying something will respawn... I am all for meticulous math being instant.

    One tiem I got Meticulous x19 on a tree*. I spent like 15 minutes chopping it, it is crazy long and in the end you get xp only once, so it is really hard to improve your producer level if you prefer meticulous.

    * Using True Bronze harvesting axe in R29

    PS: I saw crits on meticulous, but they are rare and not worth speaking of.

    PPS: we need skill improving crit chance on gathering instead of survey.
     
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    True. Almost instant on success.. seen it twice that I can remember in all my time of testing.
     
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    Alrighty then, rare it is!
     
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    If you move before the wolf disturbs you, then you finish and get all the collection, but if the wolf disturbs you, you lose it all and need to start again... FYI... I alway turn my camera while gathering saved a lot that way...
     
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    Because it's about the node NOT being destroyed, so you just do another try at the same node and roll for more bonuses... In the higher skul areas, and high skill, you almost always get 2 ore/wood from a single try, sometimes 3, when coupled with 5 or 6 meticulous collections, that's a lot of stuff from 1 node...
     
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    Thanks... I'm keen - I just don't agree.

    If I were imagining myself in this world mining away... and I got some kind of "bonus"... I'd see that bonus straight away as I mined the node... in my mind you'd just need "a few more whacks" to get the extra ore out.

    But hey if you don't agree that's fine... it's just an opinion. I just don't happen to think sitting at my PC for 2+ minutes collecting a "bonus" is fun.
     
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    I have seen a crit on Meticulous, but only on the first dig, I don't recall ever seeing a crit on the meticulous extended rolls. (not saying they don't happen, just haven't seen/noticed them)
    But I am watching for them now.
     
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    If you hadnt got one in over a year then you are unlucky, or you are only harvesting nodes you dont have well over a 50% chance to harvest. I havent seen one lately but i have seen them before. Crits are very rare even with 70% success chance, but at that level they do happen.

    At 100% success chance u still only have 25% chance to crit i think.
     
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    That's been my experience thus far as well. But knowing it's as rare as others have observed is sufficient for me.
     
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    You can definitely crit on meticulous.
     
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