Dear, damages i mentioned here of stone arrow were tested on Dhanas with no warding gear and potions, i think you're just assuming a lot of things. Indeed on some uber spearmans with warding gear, with new math, i critted 5 damage from stone arrow and 7 from lighting looking at my chatlogs. As @Chris always said if a player plays well and better than others must be able to compete with ppl with around 20-30 more levels especially when someone train and pratice everyday vs players, instead of grinding mobs all the day. Not everyone like running away to the oracle or switching to friends when enemies are not outnumbered or is up a new release with some serious issues, like the 20+ levels players you mentioned did. As you know for sure, using spears+warding gear i won (until i dropped them) vs the leader of virtue league Group A (level 120+) when i was still level 93. The reason i unlearned spears is the fact they're too uber and unfair especially if combined with the warding system, converting the highest level earth/life mage on server into a piece of meat. On the other hand someone might like uber weapons cause (i'm not accusing anyone, but i'm just supposing) for the first time in his pvp career also with near no pratice and training can kill everyone around and collecting some good ransoms. This is exactly the point i was trying to get in "Random Discussion About Chris' Daily Blog", thank you for confirming that. I just hope @Chris will find a solution to keep the skill-based part and not the ward based one.