Useless Skills (Kinda)

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  1. Abstrax Phoenix

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    Cocoon of Night. Don't think ive ever seen anyone use it.
     
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    Also, as someone else has said in this thread, light armor seriously doesnt need any buffs. Light armor spec is already super strong with dodge and with the draw speed from flurry. Archer doesnt need to be even MORE strong.
     
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    Moon Eater: This fabulous 4x skill gives you a few extra real minutes of moonlight bonus but the moon cycle is many real hours.
     
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    You know, if light armor specialization were actually desirable then archers might choose it instead of tactics or air. ;)
     
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  5. Cora Cuz'avich

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    Really? Huh. I always kinda assumed it went by the day/night cycle. Guess I should read all the words.
     
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    Looks like they updated the text since I last looked at it a few weeks ago. Now it clearly states that it only affects ranged weapons.
     
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    Re-corrected - looks like the green description text of Eagle Eye still says melee:
     
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  8. Cora Cuz'avich

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    Just curious, did you verify that by checking to see when your dex changes or something? (I mean, I'm guessing you did, but just being sure.) It would be weird if the extra hours shown on the tooltip were "game" hours and not "real" hours, since I think the only thing in the game that measures its duration in game time is the Obsidian Potions, and no other skills do, at least that I can think of. (And even the obsidian potions only use the "game" time in the description, and show "real" time when you mouseover the status.

    [EDIT- I guess technically the whiskeys use game time too in their titles. But once you start a cask, mousing over it shows you the real time left until maturity.]
     
  9. Alley Oop

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    compare it to sun eater, which also adds additional hours. since one real world hour is a whole day, having even half a real world hour added by sun eater would mean having the bonus permanently.
     
  10. Cora Cuz'avich

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    Hmm. Good point. You'd think with all the time I spent learning SotA astronomy, I'd have noticed that...

    So... yeah, moon eater is dumb. Mine adds 4 game hours, which is 10 real minutes (split in two) every 28 real hours.
     
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    Should Opportunity Strike in the Subterfuge tree also get a bonus against 'downed' opponents? For example, using the Trip skill?

    I don't seem to do much damage with it even after dodging an attack but my skills aren't very high. Using a bow maybe it gets better at higher levels (105 in skill 100 in backstab)
     
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    Guess you havent met an archer bard that uses light armor + Ranged spec... Its the new best thing since they buffed bard.
     
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    Also what I mentioned above only works for dynamic decks so that might be a level of difficulty that not many people want to try. Doesnt mean its weak just because its hard.
     
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    Sun Eater / Moon Eater are real headscratchers.
    Even keeping a close eye on it and trying to time what it is doing when is inconsistent at best, and the bonuses (even if you push one of these passives to 120 for attunement) are barely noticeable.
    I'd definitely put them pretty low on the useful list. If not for attunement I wouldn't bother at all.
     
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    Regarding Flurry. You can stack Flurry and Defensive Stance at the same time, making you not have to choose between offense and defense. I am light armor spec for the increased draw speed which can greatly increase dps if you are using low cooldown glyphs (Thrust for example). Seems very powerful to me, but I'm not a super high end player so it still probably pales in comparison to the usual fire or death specs.
     
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    Many archers wear heavy armor and solo with 350-400+ STR and DEX. Not sure if the majority of archers wear light armor. Some of them even use berserker's stance instead of flurry as both buff cannot be active at the same time.

    Also, I see most mages wear chainmail chest as well for the additional STR and defense instead of wearing a cloth armor. Higher defense make them survive, lowing the chance to interrupt casting, or even solo in some adventuring scenes.

    Here are some comments for magic skills in PVE
    Sun spell - Reveal hidden - Not many people use it as player can use any area damage skill to find out hidden target

    Sun spell - blind - Last for 10 seconds only for any level and any stacks.

    Sun spell- Elysian Illumination - Good for melee stacking with other healing buff but the healing and damage effect do not scale well at high skill level or sun attunement. It is too weak as compared to the shield skill of other schools.

    Sun spell - Solar Flare - Rarely hit any target in front of player or target with a slight difference of z-coordinate compare to player. It should hit enemy with same cone area as banish undead but further away for range 30.

    Most magical summon spells except Lich, water elemental and earth elemental - Summoned pets are quite weak and do not have much specialty and practical usage

    Life spell - healing burst - short radius and low healing effect. Spawning healing ray to party members heal more, faster, and work on far away target. Or cast melody of mending for close party member.

    Moon spell - vanish & shadow form - stealth bonus is much weaker than the one in subterfuge tree

    Moon spell - cocoon of night - not many player play as a rouge and rarely see people using it. Stealth break immediately if any enemy is hostile with player.

    Moon spell - animal charm - area mesmerize spell can replace this skill completely
     
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    Berserker with Tactics spec gives you a pretty big crit damage bonus, on top of a speed buff. In my experience, with a high dex/dodge build, that puts out more damage than the glyph draw speed boost. Plus, except against some heavily armored targets, charged attacks do more damage, and I don't think glyph draw speed affects charging time.
     
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    Ya I'm not arguing that it's better damage, I'm saying it competes in damage (would be surprised if it's that far behind) and you can still be very tanky with defensive stance at the same time. It's a "best of both worlds" spec. Plus it's just fun thrusting like 6 times in 2.5 seconds.

    But by all means please make it better. :p
     
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    Yes, I am looking at this thread. Not a mood thing, just a time thing. :)
     
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    does anyone use camoflauge after they unlock silent movement?