Why is it players and Developers seem to think it is "ok" for a mage to fight toe to toe?

Please do not get me wrong or try telling me about time spent / effort / skills / . . . I fully understand that if you spend time min / maxing that you will have abilities stronger than most players. Yes you should be able to handle stronger content.

BUT

I have seen at least 3 players over the past few days run up to a Reaper and just stand there casting meteor Storm, fire spells, and other spells and basically just sit there and end up killing the Reaper with not so much as a scratch?

I am sorry but this is a Reaper - a large, very old, learned keeper (watcher/protector) of the woods. They are Trees, long branches, roots, and some very old / strong magic.

There is no armor / spell / whatever that should allow a player to just stand there and do what was done.

Sure you could cast but it should only be a spell like a cantrip to get away and get some distance / time to cast something more powerful. Even if you where in Full Plate once in the grasp you should be able to do nothing but work to separate yourself to continue the fight. If you are fool enough to get caught from being so close you should be first constrained, then crushed.

Sorry but it is things like this that really should be a simple thing to look at and figure out a way to make it so there is some "work" to killing a reaper and not just because you have achieved a "level" or are wearing such and such.

A Reaper (or anything) of that high a level should never be able to be taken out buy just standing still and taking it on Toe to Toe.

 

Completely disagree. I play to increase my character's power. I don't want my character to never be powerful. Whats the point of increasing your adventueinf skills otherwise?

 

Not one thing at all to do with "Char Power" or the time spent getting stronger -

Simply that not one person should be able to stand at the roots of a Reaper (anything that powerful) and just cast away without concern.

see I clearly said that.

 

I think the "problem" is that dodge works a little to fine in sota.
My willowwhisp managed to tank an dragon and survive it (briefly but I did and needed some serious healer rezz)
I think there should be more AC on leather and cloth armor but dodge a little bit reduced in effectiveness.

So you get hit more often but with less damage, that would encourage an less toe to toe approach of light armor users without nerfing them.

I wear light self but think toe to toe should be kept to the domaine of the peeps slogging around in metalplates (and redefine magic a little more, cloth for the "high" magic, Defensive like for plate/chain amd subterfugeish leatherarmor?)

 

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Yeah I agree "Toe to Toe" would make more sense in plate than cloth but even so A Reaper would still wrap you up in its limbs and really limit any offensive stuff. If a reaper catches you, you should die - unless you break free.

My point it more to the actually Mob than play style. If you want to play with a reaper you should have to "Dance" with it in one way or form. This should apply to each an every high end Mob. You hardly see a video of a player soloing a higher tier critter where they just stand there and take the hits.

 

Whomever can stand there toe to toe and cast a few aoe spells and not die, please let me know how you are doing it. Even with my fire skills in the 80's I must run around constantly healing myself while keeping immolation, fire arrow, and ring of fire (all 6 glyphs) up and running. Plus ice field (level 80). Thank you.

 

The most successful mages I have seen doing this have a dedicated GM healer backing them up.

Beside, What Would Gandolf Do?

 

Sorry need to clarify that these players were alone, and they just standing toe to toe with reapers .

Gandolf is smart enough not to go Toe to Toe with a reaper. Hell look at the reapers in the movie you refer to - they took OUT hundreds or orcs - H U N D R E D S and I think only one was seen being pulled over and the other one set on fire put himself out.

Any single opposition is just plain lame. Especially just standing there.

 

Video game....

 

Sota is a Video Game is like saying Carolina Reaper is just a hot Pepper-

There is so much more to this game than just being a "Video Game" that they could easily make some changes to make critters like the Reaper be a little more resilient than they are.

Again to the simple point - a single player should not be able to stand in the tangle of the roots and do nothing but cast spells and survive.

If you think it is ok, so be it, but make that statement, and explain why you think it is viable. Again the argument about skills / levels / training are not valid from my POV. So if that is your argument I get it, but I do not agree.

 

Not sure that this really fits the vein of conversation, but Reapers in UO would probably be the equivalent of a T2-T3 mob in SOTA. So, I was pretty surprised to find them with 2900 hp and hitting like a freight train.

For me, before I could really comment on this with an opinion, I'd need to know more about the developers vision for the Reapers in SOTA.

 

nope does not fit since you yourself have seen they are more like a tier 6 - 8 critter in SotA, then they should act like them.

That more fits my mind set - can not compare them to UO

 

My Darkstarr Corpin can stand toe to toe with the Reaper while I just sit back and heal it. At adventure lvl 101 and with 1040 points invested in the Taming tree I expect to be able to solo it. Just my 2 cents.

 

I don´t know, our tanks wear magical armor and use earth magic and so on, so they should be a little bit resiliant.
The point i think is that it should take some degree of specialisation and decidation if you want to do that, you need to invest into it to do it and sacrifice other abilities.
Tanks in plate should be effective limited to maybe 1st and second rank spells but be really tough nuts to crack because it is there ability, i mean dragons are way harder than trees and what do you have fighting them??
An dude in plate and with shield

 

I agree, but I was kind of thinking along the lines that they might be T3-T4 offensively, while having the health pool and adventurer level of something T9-T10...

 

Was the cloth wearing mage very high level, I can not fight reapers toe to toe wearing only cloth, have to kite them.

 

I think you would need specialisation light armor for that, so more an rogueish thing

 

Ahh, fond memories of walking through the woods and suddenly being flamestruck .. by a tree.

 

SoTA and "easily make some changes"? It takes them 3-6 months to create couple of new animals. I thought you'd know by now, that nothing happens in SotA easily or soon. I am not sarcastic, I am just stating the way things are. So all they can do, is just create a mesh and some animation and that's why you end up with a simple boss that powerful enough players can easily tank like that. Also, being a mage, doesn't mean they don't have a lot of other skills high enough to not bother even healing themselves. Most of the people who hunt area bosses today been here since the beginning and have grand mastered most of their adv skills. Just double click on a player that you think is doing something out of ordinary and check a number next to a green arrow. Having a few skills around level 60-80 allows you to chain any tier of mobs in game (except maybe the Rise). Get those same skills to 80 and you can kill pretty much anything, few of those can easily kill the Reaper and dragons. If you see player with multiple GMs, it means you can forget healing, or even wearing any fancy armor. You can simply walk around in Rise naked and all the mobs will just drop dead and kindly put the loot bags next to their own corpses.

 

I also think it's OK because its fun. Fun > your conception of what a mage's limitations should be