PvP Zones

It's not PK ganking if you're in a PVP scene. Believe me when I say I hate the unexpected gank, maybe even more than the next guy. Some of my first experiences in SotA PVP were me being flagged and just being repeatedly beat down and rezkilled. It was terrible. Of course, now my skills have improved enough that if someone comes up on my six, they'll think twice... point is, harvesting in a PVP zone where being ganked is a risk, that's a huge part of the excitement and a primary reason to harvest there in the first place. Players can go anywhere to harvest trees and cotton, but harvesting in a PVP zone is exciting.

I hate grinding... really, I loath it. If there wasn't a real risk/reward system for harvesting in PVP zones I would never go there... and instead I'd just go to all the other normal hot spots and kite mobs and shoot arrows like everyone else... just thinking about it makes this game feel like a chore. Not fun...

I harvest in PVP zones and I'm happy to team up with anyone that wants to try it out. There are fundamental differences to harvesting in PVP scenes, strategies are more complex and so are the tactics you need to employ if you want to be successful. And having a wingman will increase your chances for success exponentially. If you ever want to make a go of it, hit me up.

 

you make a good point, but I am not missing it. You can do everything you ask for with people who have added their consensual PVP Tag in every scene in this game. No restrictions. The non-consensual PVP players that want to see every scene and make a living off resources,creatures and crafting are either restricted from entering visually appealing scenes or forced to consent to PVP. Now if there is not enough people willing to turn on there PVP tag then the developers have to ask why and fix that. They should not be wasting time developing benefits in areas to get people who do not want to consent to PVP to enter them. If the PVP players need a place to go to fight only when they are ready to fight and not have the risk all day (Like Yew Server down time) then those areas should only be an instance to enter, not a blocked scene for everyone else. Or they. Could have the PVP tag easier to turn on and Off.

And as for the risk vs reward. The item risk can be mitigated, and if you want to display the hands of all the people you kill, more power to ya. I Think your collection will be a little better if they were fighters you killed and not farmers. But I am sure you have multiple accounts and can figure out a way to farm hands.[/QUOTE]

 

I don't think so. It may be exciting for PvPers but for someone who just wants to be a crafter and wants to finish his next item it is frustrating if he is constantly attacked when he just wants to harvest some resources. Therefore I cannot see resources as an incentive to do PvP.
Most PvPers here assume that everyone wants to have the excitement of being attacked by other players. But this is simply not true. This is also the case for quests. The change of story related scenes to multiplayer and forced PvP for me is simply not comprehensible. If someone wants to finish a quest, he doesn't want to be attacked constantly. This is annoying and frustrating and doesn't lead to people suddenly liking PvP.
If I walk through an alley to go to a ice cream shop and am constantly attacked when I just want to get an ice cream I don't go there anymore. I don't say: "Cool now I am being attacked again when I just want to get some ice cream!"
Sorry, but I cannot understand how this should cause people who would not flag themselves for PvP to suddenly like it. If I want to do PvP, then I flag myself for it. If I am forced to do PvP then I am forced to do something I don't want to do. And this does not make me like the game more, quite the contrary.
The only thing forced PvP is doing, is leading lambs to the slaughter. PvPers get easy prey in people not really interested in PvP. Must be fun killing players who are not really invested in this or just want to get through the area or harvest some resources without showing any interest in PvP...

 

what? Dude, what are you talking about? I go and harvest. I'm not hunting anyone - well, not yet anyway. Eventually I'd like to hunt outlaws but the game just isn't there yet. If you're just going to troll, just stop.

 

there is no forced pvp. you choose to go into the zone with your own free will.

 

And that's why there are only a few PVP scenes that players can go harvest in. If you don't want to flag - you don't have to. You seem to have a narrow view of what PVP is supposed to be - try opening up to the possibilities of meaningful PVP and give your fellow players some credit. It's ok if you don't want to PVP - the system is set up so you don't have to.

 

Then just add your PVP Tag and every area is now as fun and exciting as your precious PVP areas with no restrictions. No need to try and entice others in to take all the amazing resources you are gathering.

 

If I want to follow the story then I will have to enter some scenes that are "forced" PvP. I choose to go into the zone to do the quest and not fight other players.

 

I like my PVE too... I have a POT that is PVE and I like to go and do PVE things and be a crafter and socialize with folks and I don't want to PVP all the time.

 

I remember hearing about that in a Telethon or a Hangout... but I also remember hearing there was going to be a teleport installed like the ones in the checkpoints. So there's that. And there will likely be players like me that will be more than willing to escort PVE types through the scene if you don't want to use the teleport. Trust the devs to make a fun game and have a little faith that not everyone wants mindless meaningless PVP.

 

Crazy how that works isn't it. Enticing people to do something they don't want to do in order to succeed at a game. Almost seems like forced PVP if you want enough resources to compete in the market.

 

What? But that is all part of the RP/PVP experience...

 

But this removes the incentive to explore the world and the scenes. Imagine being sent to the ancient graveyard in Baldur's Gate 2 to find the evil vampire Bodhi. At the entrance there is a teleport that teleports me directly to her lair. Bummer. Maybe I would have liked to explore the whole area for atmospheric reasons? I cannot do that in SotA as then I will have to do PvP which I simply don't want to do. So the incentive to explore the area, to learn more about it, to get into the mood for finishing the quest is removed for me.

 

Enticing is not force. You are not being dragged into it nor forced out of it. Youcan get resources elsewhere.

 

I have a suspicion the quest is going to take people through the Paladis Shardfall... maybe, maybe not. But if that's where it is - it's definitely a scene worth exploring... it looks really cool right now and I can't wait to see it after a few more polish passes. When you have to cross that bridge, let me know... if there's a chance I can help you out I'll be more than happy to.

 

Quite shifting the topic. You are just being obtuse. You will be able to see them in single player offline. If you have to see it online then you choose to take the risk.

 

Some people with jobs and family have limited time to play. I chose how to play my few hours a day based on need, time, and fun. If I need resources but still want to have fun, I am forced into a PVP zone to fill that quota.

 

false. seriously @Toadster you need to try harvesting in the Shardfalls before getting yourself all worked up like this. The haul is not as great as people are making it out to be... fact is, sometimes it can be worse than just going to Kingsroad and doing circles... plus you just got pwnd and lost your favoite +8 sword that you can't afford the ransom on. Don't take the risk unless you want the added excitement... if all you want is the grind - you can go to any other scene and pull the same exact resources.

 

Then why not have this for every scene in online mode? In every scene there could be open PvP. Why just a few? Every scene could be "forced" multiplayer open PvP.

I believe that this change does hurt the game more than it serves its intended purpose. I heard that there are not more people entering the PvP scenes now. Maybe I am wrong?

Also I am still of the opinion that people who really want to do PvP flag themselves for it. If people don't flag themselves for PvP then they simply are not interested in doing it. But somehow PvPers here still want to fight exactly those players...

 

No you are not forced to do anything. I do feel for you though.