What PvP Players can look forward to

AoE in a 3D engine has always had a few major issues.

Line of sight and elevation come to mind first. An explosion or splash AoE that hits players on the other side of walls or through terrain breaks the line of sight rules. A player in a building uses an AoE and hits someone on the 3rd floor because the Y of X,Y,Z coordinates is not being calculated, elevation does not matter.

Those are normally engine related but latency is universal. Latency screws over someone that tries to feather in an AoE when they think all the friendlies are clear but the server does not agree.

I can live without friendly fire if it's only for AoE.

 

Ned, you are missing the point. In this system the different play styles can both exist!!!!! Attracting both groups... Hex Instance filtering is a different concept like cross shard travel in UO just without duplicate housing. Mind Blown?

Hey Robby, get some friends together for Texas Holdem with a $10 buy in, you'll have hours of fun without sending anyone to the poor house. In this game you can choose to be at the Adult table, whatever table that is for you. Deep.

 

So, Robby... what would it do to your analogy if I, the principal and founder of the Order of the Empathic Ursid were to tell you I am an avid poker player, and have played, and done well, in World Series of Poker Tournaments?

Poker has rules, and limits... You can't even swear at a WSOP table unless you want to sit out an orbit or two of the table while your blinds slide off into someone else's stack.

 

Absolutely nothing Rufus, He was just trying to express how he feels about pvp with his feeling about poker... His viewpoint, not yours or mine. My viewpoint would be playing holdem in a warehouse with 15 guys every Friday for years before it was popular, it was so much fun and completely ruthless. Point is we can have both play styles without effecting each other, unless you consent of course.

 

My viewpoint of poker as of right now is that its a pretty brutal game. I never knew there were punishment for swearing at others or anything like that in actual tables. But as far as I know, they can probably still be as brutal to you and your ego without actually swearing at you.

 

No, my mind is not blown. Please go back and read the previous posts.


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It blows my analogy off the water!
Now my ego is ruined I was served! It shows how little I know about the game and how little experience I have in it. Im still in the kiddie pool playing cards against the game king. Video poker and black jack. When I look at the tournament sign in sheets im always scared cuz I imagine a bunch of rough meat heads with cigars and sunglasses that are gonna really let me have it.

But yea, for the sake of the analogy, we have to pretend that that is how the real game goes. Im pretty sure its kinda like how illegal gambling is/was though
And yea, when you play a game online though where you got something that you worked hard for that is at risk if you lose a particular challenge in game against other people it gets some hard feelings going. I guess that to have these kinds of challenges you would have to moderate it like they moderate the poker tournaments. Thats if you wanted to be certain that if a child happens to log into SotA on his dad's account and he enters the PvP world with a bunch of adults trying to BEAT each other and win what pretty much amounts to a trophy that these adults can't verbally abuse him. Because we don't know the age of anyone playing an online game, a lot of people who are hardcore into the game will talk to everyone else in it like they are 21+ when they are frustrated or upset about losing against another player.

 

Speaking of poker-- I just noticed TEXAS HOLDEM on PORTALRIUM'S website!!!

https://www.portalarium.com

I thought SotA was the only thing they were working on?

 

I'm sorry Milady after I finish my point fully I will shut up as I said you have my word.

Don't try to dodge the functions of these unseen worlds Avatar, you will find the harvested petal of the golden lotus ; bitten fractals amongst unpretending stewards. The parable in which I embark is far beyond thy ordinary imaginarium in the most simple and magnitudinal way. I lift a veil of truth and mediation that is fourfold :

- Cloud computing allows anonymity to be somewhat limited, even if a player is intent on griefing another for no apparent valid roleplay reason there is a record of it. (Yes that means I am astounded Ned we even have this silly argument, but since I value you as a contributor and fellow human brother fan whatever I do my part) Its easy thus to identify patterns and use IP of users to track their behavior, or repair OOC damage. If its a hacker that can change IP, well then we'll render everyone affected obviously, automatically, indubitably invulnerable/inoperable to PVP until the issue is resolved.

- I have already submitted solutions to fun punishment in that an escape from prison mini game would be very fun to play and could even give loot to the "evil" player while still keeping him out of trafic and trying to teach him some ethics. *notice here I use ethics and not virtue or order*

- I have already submitted solutions to death in that "good" and "virtuous" players get a definite advantage over evil players in that their magical aura confers them the power to keep powerful artifacts and enchantments into death with varying degrees of total protection. [NOTICE HERE the pvp folks some of you are so intent on scaring away already make a HUGE compromise by accepting your houses will be "magically" off limits, that some towns will be DON'T LAWYER TESLA ME COIL uper duper protected... that they are being watched by an almost omnicsient oracle that has spies all over). This clearly adds to the fun in the aspect that ingenuosity is rewarded in good "evil" roleplay... and if they feel too evil... incarnate their ghost into monsters to purge their karma ! I don't take credit for this idea I only submit half of it. We did it together, and I think we know who we are, and that we'll keep inspiring each other for a long time.

- I have also submitted solutions to keeping money out of politics, and thus with utmost elegance isolate the powers in the community from the powers of money outside the game. This is highly important to understand this way all the money people want to invest goes to the dev and making our world better to eventually be the best game out there cause we're amazing and I am truely sorry Avatar if I sound so dire I am after all but one companion... this is not a joke, I am true and here to warn thee. To answer thy ultimate question yes there is perma death in my vision, and there comes a time when a character has matured where you want ultimate glory in offering its hardcore consequence of "perma-death" or huge skill drop in the event of... But this is all tied into the rest of the clover you see, no part goes without the other and it is a simple permutation of the LARP and DnD and ULTIMA model. Most LARP will allow you to die a reasonable amount of times before you're "retired of circulation" and sent either to mini-games or playing monsters. One way or the other you learn and its even more applicable than in LARP cause here everything is recorded, everything is

*is stricken with a sudden dry mouth and coughing fit*

remember me ? big fan boi... played ultima as a kid... studied and...

*voice grows weak and inaudible*

*vanishes in a flash*

 

Um, here.. This doesn't apply... Try as I may we can't move the conversation beyond two distinct play styles cause a lot of people know everything about the proposed system and yet continue to bring up conflicting comments. For Many PVP is a big part of the game immersion while playing mmo and this instances system can allow an effective Open PVP system for them very easily while also allowing the consensual PVP to players that wish it. Not at all what you continue to describe yet I'm suppose to understand if I got back and read... Please contribute cause we can move past Open PVP scares off players that don't like it. We can have it, what should it look like. If you go back and read I've already posted my responses to Pvp current thinking.

Robby, play no limit and make a bet you can't pay and it will get brutal very fast even at a flashy casino(gloves go on, it's worse than coming off). Rufus knows this, but his point is to throw a wrench in your argument and if you don't just reach down and pull it out then the pvp discussion can't move forward without flipping over with a face plant (yep, he aimed for the front wheel). You basically want consenting people in your brutal open pvp world that understand the risks and can cope with losing... Players that opt into open pvp are buying in to the Open PVP model and are willing to accept those risks and consequences if we could only talk about what Open PVP will look like.

I can ride my bike with no handlebars.

 

That's an old title, one of their earliest games, from back when they were publishing stuff for Facebook.

 

ive seen a forum thread about someone talking that sota is getting restricted pvp is that already official announced ???

i personally like pvp everywhere maybe the reason i like to play mortal online after ultima my second mmo i played. but sadly they have no money to make the game how it should be.

my question as a pvper but also a crafter with a shop in uo , will a blacksmith be worth in this game or any other crafter if the players dont loose there stuff doing pvp or pve.
in my opinion that would be a bad move, no open pvp no proper crafting economy when people notz loose there stuff

and stat lost/skilllost system kept the number of pks in balance. who didnt wanted to go red and make a lot of pvp as a blue vs other pvper could join chaos/order

 

why change this sytem that made uo such an awesome game

 

btw after being always a fan of fantasy and slashing games since rune

i wanted to post that video





in my opinion the best combat system i ever seen in a game and since sota is instance based smth like that could be possible ?? or not ??? at least i wanted to recommend that because i still play the game after 600+ hours and still like it XD

 

PVP & Death: Current Thinking Megapost

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMffleZclMPvKQQLJ0KEfMw/videos here a channel from a turnament



ps its still playable on a 60 man server

isnt sota 60 man max per instance aswelll ???


someone think that kind of playstile not work in an mmo/rpg game because you can die so fast, but i thnk it would be fine if you can use a bandage and heal potions

 

We should have Open PVP when flagged, hopefully with a filter on hex instances so we only come across open pvp players IMO. Think of UO shards with cross shard travel except housing isn't duplicated, they are dividing the world into hexes and each instance of the Hex can hold 60 people.

Crafting will be very important, I've heard that most items will have to come from players. Loot options are still in concept right now and I think item strength and rarity will need to be known before we can talk full loot or not. They are putting a lot of time and effort into crafting and it is sounding great. Look for the PVP and Death deep dive video and they talk about a place in the world you have to go to make the strongest weapons and armor due to the heat the forge generates. Cool

 

can all these threads just be merged into 1 thread. do we really have to have the same "debate" again and again. There wont be full loot

 

Asguard, why do you come to the PVP forum? You can't expect people to read all the archived messages and understand it. You have been here a while and don't understAnd... There will be full loot options at min in the current thinking and stop trying to scare new community members away!

 

i will post it in the megathread