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  1. jiirc

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    @Lum the Mad

    First off I want to say what a wonderful job this reworked scene. Masterful work.

    What I loved about it
    I believe that the dialogue with Samael when he's with Muriel has been reworked a tiny bit. While I never gave it a thorough read, I believe there were some new keywords.

    I love the Samael turns into a companion. Well he's not just a companion, he's a superman. With 15K hit points I don't think he's dieing anytime soon. I enjoy that he will also fight alongside you in the battles that you encounter along the way in this scene.

    I talked to Samael first and got him to be my companion. But when I talked to Muriel right after that, Samael told me to leave them alone, that he doesn't want my help, that he won't translate what Muriel is saying, and to leave them. This would be an appropriate response except that he already agreed to accompany me on my journey inside Malice. So I'm not sure why he's still angry at me. And I can understand what Muriel is saying.

    That I encountered only a handful of skeletons in the room after the intial discussion with Samael was better. And the fact that Samael helps me out seems like a good thing.

    I'm not sure if this is a good or bad thing, but while Samael accompanies you he gives you hints along the way about what to do or things you should pay attention to. He'll give you feedback about the first barrier, that it must be breeched somehow. Maybe he could mention that there are things you should find nearby that will take the barrier down. Whe you are near the first skeleton, the one by the barrier, he hints that the skeleton may be important. And he does that for the others as well. All are great additions to aid the player along. My only issue is that you need to pay attention to the chat window to see these hints. But I'm not sure what could be done to draw attention to the additional dialogue added to the chat window. Audible clues like him mumbling? Visual clues, like a pop up text. Both have negatives to them. Or maybe journal entries? Or more Samael dialogue about the barrier that you would get by talking to him about the barrier? I'm not sure what, or who, someone would check if they were having problems. But I'm glad I don't need to come up with a solution for that.

    The small section of mobs after the the lich fight has been cleared out a bit, not as many mobs as before. That's good.

    Did I say Samael is a beast. I let him do a lot of the fighting and he just mowed down stuff. As long as the stuff doesn't do major damage to me, he is more than capable of killing the stuff on his own.

    Well the summoning whistle works. I enraged Anapa and he called all these mobs to his aid. I didn't realize that there 4 of them, so I died. I had to summon Samael back after ressing, which wasn't a problem providing I knew that I had the whistle. This could be missed if you weren't watching the chat log when you clicked Goodbye when talking to Samael when he joined you the first time.

    And as I get to Sequanna the end, I hope, is in site. I was never able to get Samael to finish the quest for me on live. The best that anyone at Portalarium could do was to tell me that my flags were screwed up. But they couldn't figure out what. So I help out hope that it was something with the Samael sequence. Nope. I talked to Samael and got the message to ask him about the ring. But talking to him he just says he doesn't want to talk about the ring. It still seems that there is a flag somewhere in the past that messes up the final dialogue with Samael preventing me from completing the quest. so it looks like the final part fo this quest wasn't touched at all.

    What could be improved
    - As mentioned above, that Samael provides hints I the chat window as you journey through Malice might be considered a negative. Maybe this is a compromise, I'm not sure.

    - I am Level 80 and there's a yellow Lich Archer that has to be fought. Now this might not be a problem given Samael is fighting with me, but here's my concerns.
    1) How quickly would the lich kill me if I was lower level?
    2) As I journey down the windy path in that area, (Area: Malice (Novia_R5_Hills03_Malice) Loc: (111.5, -8.4, 411.2) DBG: Tm92aWFfUjVfSGlsbHMwM19NYWxpY2V8fCgxMTEuNTQzLCAtOC4zODEsIDQxMS4yMTQpfCgwLCAwLjI0NywgMCwgLTAuOTY5KXwtNDI4LjA4NDZ8MjAuNzg1NjV8Mi42MTU0NDU= ) Samael has a real hard time following me down that windy path, so I'm not sure how useful he would be in that fight. In fact he gets stuck at Area: Malice (Novia_R5_Hills03_Malice) Loc: (107.6, -13.8, 405.0) DBG: Tm92aWFfUjVfSGlsbHMwM19NYWxpY2V8fCgxMDcuNjQzLCAtMTMuNzk2LCA0MDUuMDEpfCgwLCAtMC4wMDMsIDAsIDEpfDEwLjU2ODM5fDM5LjA1Njg3fDIuNjE1NDQ1 . At this point I could continue on by teleporting him to my location.
    3) If you right click on Samael, I believe you see the regular set of pet commands. The dismiss command is there. Now I'm not sure what would happen if you dismiss him, I didn't want to try just in case it bugs out, I really wanted to get to the end to see if I could finally complete this quest (for multiple reasaons I can't finish it on live).
    4) If he can be successfully dismissed, I believe that the summoning whistle he gives you could bring him back. But the only reason I know about the whistle is that I was reading the chat log. Maybe Samael could mention it as part of the closing dialogue back by Muriel.


    Bugs
    There were a few environmental bugs that I've reported. 1) trouble getting Samael down the windy path. 2) Samael isn't going past a doorway. But when I got into a fight just on the other side of the doorway, he teleported to me. But then had trouble going back the other way.
     
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  2. Lum the Mad

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    Thanks, that's a bug.

    Not a bug. Muriel is recently dead and speaks the common tongue.

    A lot of your issues is because you don't want to watch the chat log. Sorry, but we have to communicate info somehow... and in addition, describing Samael as a pet with a whistle is breaking the 4th wall and we try to avoid that when possible.
     
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    It was significantly reworked (and still has one further change yet to go in, if you cannot complete it it is almost certainly a scrambled flag issue. I need to know exactly what dialog you are getting (if you still have your chat log that would be great) so I can try to figure out what state your character is in.
     
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    Also

    in testing, with 15K hit points, there is still the possibility Samael can die if aggroing all the spiders in the spider wing, or the entire Anapa throne room at once.
     
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    Do you want the complete chat log for the sequence or just to report specific parts the sequence. I can access the chat log and get specific parts for you. Just let me know what you want me to report.
     
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    One thing of note. is the Finding Sequanna! quest a flag that needs to be set for the line to advance? If so, I noticed that quest wasn't updated for me, as evidenced by the quest still list in the Quest HUD.
     
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    Hi, I have just played through this scene again and would like to give a Lich count for how many I had to fight to get through to Sequanna - it is more than it was last month unfortunately.

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    Here are two in the first hallway after getting Samael to join me.

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    Here are two more in one of the side rooms.

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    Here is one more on the way to another side room.

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    Here are two more in another side room.

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    Here is one more - I remember this is where the Ankh is if you die later on.

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    Here are three in the room with Anapa. I decided to go in guns blazing since I do not like being sneak attacked by all these undead at once.

    I count eleven Liches in Malice now, so this is more than double what I had to fight last month to finish this quest.

    I appreciate having help from Samael during the fights, but I think having twice as many Liches to fight is overkill - please change it back to the way it was before @Lum the Mad

    I am at AL84 and have high defenses and magic counters since that is what you need to survive to be able to complete this quest.
     
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    @discipleofweb

    I think this is more of a spawn problem than any other issue. When I went thorugh the first time today, I believe I ran into two liches. I ran it again later, couldn't finish the quest and was testing when a new client cam eout so I updated it, and that time I ran into a few more, but not the number that you ran into. I agree that the number you ran into is probably unreasonable and sthe spawn should be adjusted accordingly.
     
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    Yeah that is a big difference in number. Hopefully it is just a bug and not an intended change.
     
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    Not at all. The chances of liches appearing in the spawn pool are random, it sounds like you got completely hosed. I'll cut it down so that doesn't happen.
     
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    Just what you said to the NPCs and vice versa for the scene.
     
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    Here's the transcript with a few notes.

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    First conversation with Samael (Rotunda)
    [9/22/2017 11:40:20 AM] You have been given a description of Muriel.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:20 AM] Samael: (to Muriel) Muriel! My beloved! I thought you were lost to me...
    [9/22/2017 11:40:20 AM] Muriel: (to Samael) I am lost to you, Samael. I am lost to everyone. I am a prisoner here. A prisoner of my past.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:23 AM] Samael: (to Muriel) A prisoner? Who holds you here? Who? WHO? I will tear down every wall that binds you, rip apart every chain that constrains you!
    [9/22/2017 11:40:23 AM] Muriel: (to Samael) You. You hold me here, Samael. I died and was glad for my time here, ready to move beyond the world. But you will not let me go.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:26 AM] Samael: (to Muriel) Of course I will not let you go! I cannot! It was my fault you died! I have to fix this, Muriel! I must find some way to fix this! I have to bring you back!
    [9/22/2017 11:40:26 AM] Muriel: (to Samael) You cannot bring me back, Samael. You can only let me go. Your selfish love keeps me here. It is so grey, so ashen. Neither hot nor cold, living nor dead. Please allow me to pass on.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:31 AM] Samael: (to Muriel) If you cannot live again... if you must be dead... I will remain here with you! Let me stay. Let me hold on to you here. The past we had together.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:31 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:40:35 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: Muriel
    [9/22/2017 11:40:35 AM] Samael: (to you) Muriel is everything to me. She is why I have come here. When Thanatos gave me her ring, in Necropolis...
    [9/22/2017 11:40:35 AM] Muriel: (to Samael) Samael. I did not send you my ring.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:35 AM] Samael: (to Muriel) What? What do you mean? But...
    [9/22/2017 11:40:37 AM] Muriel: (to Samael) How could I? I am bound here. I am lifeless. I am a spirit. You know this.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:37 AM] Samael: (to Muriel) Then... then... Anapa... oh, faithless, lifeless trickster, you DECIEVED ME! You lured me here, you heartless lord of dust, emperor of lies, NO! But... why? What reason would he have? Why would he need me here?
    [9/22/2017 11:40:38 AM] Muriel: (to Samael) You speak with the dead. Would not a lord of the dead require your services?
    [9/22/2017 11:40:38 AM] Samael: (to Muriel) But... who... why?
    [9/22/2017 11:40:38 AM] Muriel: (to Samael) I am not the only prisoner here, Samael. Anapa has enslaved love herself. Yet can the dead speak to a crying heart?
    [9/22/2017 11:40:38 AM] Samael: (to Muriel) This... but...
    [9/22/2017 11:40:40 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: let her go
    [9/22/2017 11:40:40 AM] Samael seems different now. You think your words have finally taken effect. Ask him to leave with you.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:40 AM] Samael: (to you) I have to live. I have... to let her go. She can live in the memories I will always cherish... but I must let her go. It will be so difficult, avatar. I pray I will have the strength.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:40 AM] Muriel: (to you) Thank you, avatar, for breaking his chains and mine.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:42 AM] Samael: (to you) It is time for us to leave this place. Please, tell me when you are ready.
    [9/22/2017 11:40:43 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:41:01 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: anapa
    [9/22/2017 11:41:02 AM] Samael: (to you) He is the warlord of the dead, and Malice is his realm... he is the master here. How he is calling the undead to his service I know not.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:02 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:41:03 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: prisoner
    [9/22/2017 11:41:03 AM] Samael: (to you) It is true. I have held her spirit here, not willing to let her go.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:03 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:41:05 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: dead
    [9/22/2017 11:41:05 AM] Samael: (to you) The past must remain in the past. Thank you for helping me to see this, avatar. I have to learn to live in the present. To remember the love we shared in its beauty, rather than its name.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:05 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:41:06 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: let her go
    [9/22/2017 11:41:06 AM] Samael: (to you) It is time for us to leave this place. Please, tell me when you are ready.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:06 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:41:09 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: Muriel
    [9/22/2017 11:41:09 AM] Samael: (to you) Muriel was everything to me... the very reason I came... but my love, selfish that it was, was twisted and used against us both, nothing but a tool in Anapa's hands. We must make him pay for that, avatar.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:09 AM] Muriel: (to Samael) I am glad you are finally free. Yet your task is not yet complete.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:09 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:41:16 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: help
    [9/22/2017 11:41:16 AM] Samael: (to you) ...
    [9/22/2017 11:41:16 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:41:19 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: job
    [9/22/2017 11:41:19 AM] Samael: (to you) I will stand with you until the end, avatar. Tell me when we are ready to depart.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:19 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:41:30 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 11:41:30 AM] Samael is travelling with you once again. Use his summoning whistle if he becomes separated from you.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:30 AM] Samael: (to you) Yes. It is time. Until we meet in the next life, Muriel. Let us depart, avatar. I have spent too long here already.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:30 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:41:31 AM] You received an item (Summon Samael) from Samael
    [9/22/2017 11:41:38 AM] Samael: Leave us alone. We don't need or want you here. No, I'm not translating for Muriel. I'm telling you myself. Leave us.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:38 AM] Muriel: Samael is troubled. I fear I cannot reach him. Please try. I am dead and can do no more.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:38 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:41:45 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    End of first conversation with Samael
    Conversation with Muriel
    [9/22/2017 11:41:46 AM] Muriel: Please, free Samael from his chains of pain.
    [9/22/2017 11:41:46 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:00 AM] Muriel: Thank you for helping us find peace. Now, you must save Sequanna from Anapa and his undead legions.
    Talked to Samael again (before leaving Rotunda)
    [9/22/2017 11:42:00 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:18 AM] Samael: We must make haste, but if you have questions of Anapa and what of his history I have learned, I can share my insights with you.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:18 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:24 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: history
    [9/22/2017 11:42:24 AM] Samael: As hard as it may be to believe... Anapa is not undead. He is alive, and has been for centuries. He is the last ruler of the Drachvald, the first nation to fall to the Obsidians. And he is very angry.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:24 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:29 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: obsidians
    [9/22/2017 11:42:29 AM] Samael: The Obsidian Order were great sorcerers that sought to conquer all of Novia two hundred years ago. Their work survives to this day, in their towers, their constructs, the mindless minions that wander Novia seeking to fulfill their final orders. And incredibly, Anapa was the legendary ruler of the Drachvald that was the first to stand against them.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:29 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:33 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: drachvald
    [9/22/2017 11:42:33 AM] Samael: The Drachvald was once a mighty kingdom that ruled over this entire region. Anapa was its last ruler. It was the first to fall to the Obsidians, and the land has never recovered from that horrible war.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:33 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:36 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: anapa
    [9/22/2017 11:42:36 AM] Samael: Hundreds of years ago, Anapa was the ruler of the Drachvald. His resistance against the Obsidians was fierce and valiant, yet in the end he fell, for the Council of Might, the coalition that rose to eventually defeat the Obsidians, cared not for Anapa or his land, and his troops were left to bleed and die. His homeland crushed, his spirit has raged in a terrible fury. A fury that, like him, refuses to ever die. Fury and hatred is what drives him. And now he seeks to finish what the Obsidians began.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:36 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:44 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: fury
    [9/22/2017 11:42:44 AM] Samael: How can we imagine anger that lasts for these long centuries? Anapa has watched the world from his stronghold here under the earth, how the world has moved onward, forgetting the Drachvald and its sacrifice. He has grown ever more bitter, more consumed. He wants naught now but to be the last living man.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:44 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:47 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: council of might
    [9/22/2017 11:42:47 AM] Samael: The Council of Might, the alliance of men that finally brought the Obsidians to bear. The sailors of Aerie, the legendary followers of Tsuneo of Ardoris, the knights of Norgard, all united under their banners in battles fought across Novia. Anapa appealed to them individually, pleading for any aid at all, as his forces faced the dread Obsidian mages and their constructs alone. Yet Drachvald was left to fight alone, and they were crushed. Only after Anapa's soldiers fell dead, the Drachvald's towers brought low, did the Council deign to plan how to resist. It is a betrayal Anapa has never forgiven.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:47 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:50 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: job
    [9/22/2017 11:42:50 AM] Samael: I will follow you until the end, avatar.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:50 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:53 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: help
    [9/22/2017 11:42:53 AM] Samael: We must find Anapa's lair. It will no doubt be near the end of this ruin. Once we find and best him, Sequanna will hopefully make her presence known to us.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:53 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:56 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: sequanna
    [9/22/2017 11:42:56 AM] Samael: The Lady Sequanna was one of three titans, the beings that created the Oracle. Sequanna represented love and compassion. I fear for her fate.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:56 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:42:57 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: sequanna
    [9/22/2017 11:42:57 AM] Samael: The Lady Sequanna was one of three titans, the beings that created the Oracle. Sequanna represented love and compassion. I fear for her fate.
    [9/22/2017 11:42:57 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:43:00 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 11:43:00 AM] Samael: Take care. I will guide you as best I am able.
    end of Samael conversation

    comment at the door leading further into malice (at Rotunda)
    [9/22/2017 11:43:00 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:43:17 AM] Samael: This is the path that leads to the deepest parts of Malice. There is a barrier I have not been able to cross there. We will need some way of breaching it.

    Hallway conversation with Samael
    [9/22/2017 11:57:09 AM] Samael: (to you) We must make haste, but if you have questions of Anapa and what of his history I have learned, I can share my insights with you.
    [9/22/2017 11:57:09 AM]
    [9/22/2017 11:57:18 AM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 11:57:18 AM] Samael: (to you) Take care. I will guide you as best I am able.

    It would seem that Samael's comments at the barrier and the two rooms (Crematorium and Labratory) aren't included in the chat log.

    Anapa
    [9/22/2017 1:26:34 PM] Samael: (to you) Anapa himself... let us end this, avatar.
    [9/22/2017 1:26:34 PM] Samael: (to you) Anapa himself... let us end this, avatar.
    [9/22/2017 1:26:41 PM] Anapa: You draw breath because of the craven betrayal of those past. Your breath is stolen from all held dear.
    [9/22/2017 1:26:54 PM] Anapa: Avatar. Say what you will. It will not save you.
    [9/22/2017 1:26:54 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:26:59 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: anapa
    [9/22/2017 1:26:59 PM] Your words have driven Anapa into a fury and he attacks!
    [9/22/2017 1:26:59 PM] Anapa: I ruled the Drachvald in the days of its beauty and glory, before it was ground to dust. Betrayal brought it to death, to ruin. I have sought ever since to find the means to avenge it. You have brought me those means.
    [9/22/2017 1:27:03 PM] Anapa: (fighting) Avatar. Say what you will. It will not save you.
    [9/22/2017 1:27:17 PM] Anapa: (fighting) ENOUGH! Take the spirit-talker away. He shall speak my commands to the dead titan. As for the avatar... it is time to discover how to make an avatar die.

    I died while fighting Anapa and the rest of the room (which didn't attack until Anapa attacked)

    Second battle with Anapa
    [9/22/2017 1:33:39 PM] Anapa: (to you) Avatar. Say what you will. It will not save you.
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    [9/22/2017 1:33:43 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: samael
    [9/22/2017 1:33:43 PM] Your words have driven Anapa into a fury and he attacks!
    [9/22/2017 1:33:43 PM] Anapa: (to you) Sequanna will not speak to me. Perhaps her heart only hears the sorrows of who still love. Through my vengeance, Samael is well acquainted with love's sorrow.
    [9/22/2017 1:33:43 PM] Anapa: (to Samael) Are you not, speaker to the dead?
    [9/22/2017 1:34:05 PM] Anapa: (fighting) Avatar. Say what you will. It will not save you.
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    [9/22/2017 1:34:11 PM] Anapa: (fighting) Avatar. Say what you will. It will not save you.
    [9/22/2017 1:35:02 PM] Anapa: (dying) You think you have won. You know nothing. The dark lord will not rise.

    Various conversations at Sequanna
    [9/22/2017 1:44:12 PM] Sequanna: Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 1:44:19 PM] Sequanna: Weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 1:44:19 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:44:34 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: hello
    [9/22/2017 1:44:34 PM] Sequanna: Weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 1:44:34 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:44:37 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: regret
    [9/22/2017 1:44:37 PM] Sequanna: I have taken on the sorrows of the dead for their protection. I hold them within my Heart of Sorrows, bound by my compassion. Bound by my love.
    [9/22/2017 1:44:37 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:45:16 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: love
    [9/22/2017 1:45:16 PM] Sequanna: I must protect the dead from their sorrows. I must shelter them from the memories of their past. I must. I must. I must. I must.
    [9/22/2017 1:45:16 PM] Samael: Can it be... is Sequanna herself imprisoning the undead? With their own regrets?
    [9/22/2017 1:45:16 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:45:32 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: dead
    [9/22/2017 1:45:32 PM] Sequanna: The dead are bound to me for their protection. I protect them from the pain of their past.
    [9/22/2017 1:45:32 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:45:44 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: heart of sorrow
    [9/22/2017 1:45:44 PM] Sequanna: My brothers and I forged this heart of our compassion. The longing, the regrets. Forging my chains, forging their chains, forging your chains, Samael.
    [9/22/2017 1:45:44 PM] Samael: (to Sequanna) My chains? But you hold the Heart of Sorrows. Nothing binds me here, my lady.
    [9/22/2017 1:45:52 PM] Sequanna: (to Samael) The link of your chain is your ring, Muriel's ring, the ring, the ring, the ring, the regret, the regret, the regret, so much pain, so very much pain, so very much pain...
    [9/22/2017 1:45:52 PM] Samael: (to you) I think I understand, avatar. Speak to me again. Ask me of my ring.
    [9/22/2017 1:45:52 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:46:12 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: chain
    [9/22/2017 1:46:12 PM] Sequanna: (to you) I am bound by the longing of the dead. By the regrets of the dead. The rings of their chains bind me in sorrow and loss. The rings of my chains bind the dead to my protection.
    [9/22/2017 1:46:12 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:46:34 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: chain
    [9/22/2017 1:46:34 PM] Sequanna: (to you) I am bound by the longing of the dead. By the regrets of the dead. The rings of their chains bind me in sorrow and loss. The rings of my chains bind the dead to my protection.
    [9/22/2017 1:46:34 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:46:42 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 1:46:42 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Pain... loss... regret...
    [9/22/2017 1:46:42 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:46:46 PM] Samael: This... this is the titan Sequanna! What has Anapa done to her? What is the nature of those chains?
    [9/22/2017 1:46:46 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:46:51 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: titan
    [9/22/2017 1:46:51 PM] Samael: We know little of titans. They are said to be ancient beings from beyond this world. It is they who crafted the Oracle, together, to guide us.
    [9/22/2017 1:46:51 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:00 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: sequanna
    [9/22/2017 1:47:00 PM] Samael: The Lady Sequanna, the titan of love and compassion. Now confined to this dark cavern, it appears her compassion has gotten the better of her. We should try to speak to her.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:00 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:06 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: chains
    [9/22/2017 1:47:06 PM] Samael: She is obviously imprisoned, bound somehow, though the chains on the floor appear to be just a formality. Perhaps a joke of Anapa's. The binding appears all too real, however. Perhaps she is held here much like Muriel is.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:06 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:11 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: muriel
    [9/22/2017 1:47:11 PM] Samael: She was everything to me, avatar. Every day, I wonder what our life together would be like if I had been able to save her.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:11 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:14 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 1:47:14 PM] Samael: We should speak to Sequanna.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:14 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:17 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:17 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:22 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: chain
    [9/22/2017 1:47:23 PM] Sequanna: (to you) I am bound by the longing of the dead. By the regrets of the dead. The rings of their chains bind me in sorrow and loss. The rings of my chains bind the dead to my protection.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:23 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:25 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: heart of sorrow
    [9/22/2017 1:47:25 PM] Sequanna: (to you) My brothers and I forged this heart of our compassion. The longing, the regrets. Forging my chains, forging their chains, forging your chains, Samael.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:25 PM] Samael: (to Sequanna) My chains? But you hold the Heart of Sorrows. Nothing binds me here, my lady.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:27 PM] Sequanna: (to Samael) The link of your chain is your ring, Muriel's ring, the ring, the ring, the ring, the regret, the regret, the regret, so much pain, so very much pain, so very much pain...
    [9/22/2017 1:47:27 PM] Samael: (to you) I think I understand, avatar. Speak to me again. Ask me of my ring.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:27 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:33 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: hello
    [9/22/2017 1:47:33 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:33 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:36 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: regret
    [9/22/2017 1:47:36 PM] Sequanna: (to you) I have taken on the sorrows of the dead for their protection. I hold them within my Heart of Sorrows, bound by my compassion. Bound by my love.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:36 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:42 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: heart of sorrow
    [9/22/2017 1:47:42 PM] Sequanna: (to you) My brothers and I forged this heart of our compassion. The longing, the regrets. Forging my chains, forging their chains, forging your chains, Samael.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:42 PM] Samael: (to Sequanna) My chains? But you hold the Heart of Sorrows. Nothing binds me here, my lady.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:44 PM] Sequanna: (to Samael) The link of your chain is your ring, Muriel's ring, the ring, the ring, the ring, the regret, the regret, the regret, so much pain, so very much pain, so very much pain...
    [9/22/2017 1:47:44 PM] Samael: (to you) I think I understand, avatar. Speak to me again. Ask me of my ring.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:44 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:48 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: chain
    [9/22/2017 1:47:48 PM] Sequanna: (to you) I am bound by the longing of the dead. By the regrets of the dead. The rings of their chains bind me in sorrow and loss. The rings of my chains bind the dead to my protection.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:48 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:47:55 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: love
    [9/22/2017 1:47:56 PM] Sequanna: (to you) I must protect the dead from their sorrows. I must shelter them from the memories of their past. I must. I must. I must. I must.
    [9/22/2017 1:47:56 PM] Samael: (to you) Can it be... is Sequanna herself imprisoning the undead? With their own regrets?
    [9/22/2017 1:47:56 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:48:37 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 1:48:37 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Pain... loss... regret...
    [9/22/2017 1:48:37 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:48:40 PM] Samael: This... this is the titan Sequanna! What has Anapa done to her? What is the nature of those chains?
    [9/22/2017 1:48:40 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:48:43 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: ring
    [9/22/2017 1:48:43 PM] Samael: NO! Do NOT speak to me of this ring, or my wife! Why did you bring me here! We must go back!
    [9/22/2017 1:48:43 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:48:48 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: ring
    [9/22/2017 1:48:48 PM] Samael: NO! Do NOT speak to me of this ring, or my wife! Why did you bring me here! We must go back!
    [9/22/2017 1:48:48 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:48:52 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 1:48:52 PM] Samael: We should speak to Sequanna.
    [9/22/2017 1:48:52 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:51:47 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 1:51:47 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:51:52 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: chain
    [9/22/2017 1:51:53 PM] Sequanna: (to you) I am bound by the longing of the dead. By the regrets of the dead. The rings of their chains bind me in sorrow and loss. The rings of my chains bind the dead to my protection.
    [9/22/2017 1:51:53 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:51:54 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: heart of sorrow
    [9/22/2017 1:51:54 PM] Sequanna: (to you) My brothers and I forged this heart of our compassion. The longing, the regrets. Forging my chains, forging their chains, forging your chains, Samael.
    [9/22/2017 1:51:54 PM] Samael: (to Sequanna) My chains? But you hold the Heart of Sorrows. Nothing binds me here, my lady.
    [9/22/2017 1:51:56 PM] Sequanna: (to Samael) The link of your chain is your ring, Muriel's ring, the ring, the ring, the ring, the regret, the regret, the regret, so much pain, so very much pain, so very much pain...
    [9/22/2017 1:51:56 PM] Samael: (to you) I think I understand, avatar. Speak to me again. Ask me of my ring.
    [9/22/2017 1:51:56 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:52:01 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 1:52:01 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Pain... loss... regret...
    [9/22/2017 1:52:01 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:53:04 PM] Samael: This... this is the titan Sequanna! What has Anapa done to her? What is the nature of those chains?
    [9/22/2017 1:53:04 PM]
    [9/22/2017 1:53:08 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: ring
    [9/22/2017 1:53:08 PM] Samael: NO! Do NOT speak to me of this ring, or my wife! Why did you bring me here! We must go back!
    [9/22/2017 1:53:08 PM]
    [9/22/2017 2:00:30 PM] Samael: It is Sequanna! The titan of love herself... bound in chains! But should they not be lifted, that Anapa has been defeated?
    [9/22/2017 2:02:29 PM] Samael: It is Sequanna! The titan of love herself... bound in chains! But should they not be lifted, that Anapa has been defeated?
    [9/22/2017 2:07:15 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 2:09:19 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 2:10:16 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 2:12:20 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 2:13:17 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 2:15:23 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 2:16:33 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.

    second attempt with build 554
    [9/22/2017 3:57:24 PM] Muriel: You must not stay here. Anapa is looking for you.
    [9/22/2017 3:57:26 PM] Samael: Leave us alone. We don't need or want you here. No, I'm not translating for Muriel. I'm telling you myself. Leave us.
    [9/22/2017 3:57:26 PM] Muriel: Samael is troubled. I fear I cannot reach him. Please try. I am dead and can do no more.
    [9/22/2017 3:57:26 PM]
    [9/22/2017 3:57:32 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: dead
    [9/22/2017 3:57:32 PM] Muriel: I did not move to the next existence after my death. No one has, for some time. All the dead are summoned to this place and held here by a power we do not understand.
    [9/22/2017 3:57:32 PM]
    [9/22/2017 3:57:34 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: undead
    [9/22/2017 3:57:34 PM] Muriel: The undead are held here by Anapa's vengeance. No soul will find rest until Anapa is satisfied. Only Anapa's defeat will free those he holds enthralled.
    [9/22/2017 3:57:34 PM]
    [9/22/2017 3:57:37 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 3:57:37 PM] Muriel: Please, free Samael from his chains of pain.
    [9/22/2017 3:57:37 PM]
    [9/22/2017 3:57:41 PM] Samael: I cannot stay here much longer. I will answer any further questions you might have. When you are ready to leave, I will depart with you for the final confrontation with Anapa, the one who holds the chains in this dark place.
    [9/22/2017 3:57:41 PM] Muriel: (to Samael) Samael... thank you.
    [9/22/2017 3:57:41 PM]
    [9/22/2017 3:57:45 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: leave
    [9/22/2017 3:57:45 PM] Samael: (to you) Yes. It is time. Until we meet in the next life, Muriel. Let us depart, avatar. I have spent too long here already.
    [9/22/2017 3:57:45 PM]
    [9/22/2017 3:57:46 PM] You received an item (Summon Samael) from Samael

    During this run I dismissed Samael once, testing.

    Battle in Hall of Dread (aggro'd stuff in the Hall before talking to Anapa)

    At Anapa
    [9/22/2017 4:07:44 PM] Anapa: You claim to know virture. You think you know loss. You know so very little.
    [9/22/2017 4:08:52 PM] Anapa: You stand before Anapa... King of Kings. Kneel. It will not save you.
    [9/22/2017 4:10:03 PM] Anapa: Avatar. Say what you will. It will not save you.
    [9/22/2017 4:10:03 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:10:06 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: avatar
    [9/22/2017 4:10:06 PM] Your words have driven Anapa into a fury and he attacks!
    [9/22/2017 4:10:06 PM] Anapa: The ruin of the world came from you. You avatars. You consume. You take and you fight and you prattle and you never, ever die. In ever greater numbers, seeking who best conforms to the prophecy of a mad machine. Destroying you is a kindness. You will never know the beauty of Drachvald risen. You are not capable. I will drive you all into holes as the sky falls upon you. You will cower, and my deathless armies will drag you into the fire. And you will die. You will finally die.
    [9/22/2017 4:10:06 PM]
    Anapa attacks
    [9/22/2017 4:10:25 PM] Anapa: (dying) You think you have won. You know nothing. The dark lord will not rise.

    Discoveries for Well of Sorrows and Crystal Prison

    At Sequanna
    9/22/2017 4:11:01 PM] Sequanna: Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.

    This time I had to teleport Samael to my location as he wouldn't enter the Well of Sorrows by himself.

    [9/22/2017 4:12:43 PM] Samael: Look, we have found Sequanna! But what holds her here... Is not Anapa defeated?
    [9/22/2017 4:12:50 PM] Sequanna: Weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 4:12:50 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:12:58 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 4:12:58 PM] Sequanna: Pain... loss... regret...
    [9/22/2017 4:12:58 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:13:41 PM] Samael: This... this is the titan Sequanna! What has Anapa done to her? What is the nature of those chains?
    [9/22/2017 4:13:41 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:13:46 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: sequanna
    [9/22/2017 4:13:47 PM] Samael: The Lady Sequanna, the titan of love and compassion. Now confined to this dark cavern, it appears her compassion has gotten the better of her. We should try to speak to her.
    [9/22/2017 4:13:47 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:13:48 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: titan
    [9/22/2017 4:13:49 PM] Samael: We know little of titans. They are said to be ancient beings from beyond this world. It is they who crafted the Oracle, together, to guide us.
    [9/22/2017 4:13:49 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:13:50 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: chains
    [9/22/2017 4:13:50 PM] Samael: She is obviously imprisoned, bound somehow, though the chains on the floor appear to be just a formality. Perhaps a joke of Anapa's. The binding appears all too real, however. Perhaps she is held here much like Muriel is.
    [9/22/2017 4:13:50 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:13:57 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: ring
    [9/22/2017 4:13:57 PM] Samael: NO! Do NOT speak to me of this ring, or my wife! Why did you bring me here! We must go back!
    [9/22/2017 4:13:57 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:00 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: ring
    [9/22/2017 4:14:00 PM] Samael: NO! Do NOT speak to me of this ring, or my wife! Why did you bring me here! We must go back!
    [9/22/2017 4:14:00 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:03 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: muriel
    [9/22/2017 4:14:03 PM] Samael: She was everything to me, avatar. Every day, I wonder what our life together would be like if I had been able to save her.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:03 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:05 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 4:14:05 PM] Samael: We should speak to Sequanna.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:05 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:10 PM] Sequanna: Weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:10 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:13 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: regret
    [9/22/2017 4:14:13 PM] Sequanna: I have taken on the sorrows of the dead for their protection. I hold them within my Heart of Sorrows, bound by my compassion. Bound by my love.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:13 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:15 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: love
    [9/22/2017 4:14:15 PM] Sequanna: I must protect the dead from their sorrows. I must shelter them from the memories of their past. I must. I must. I must. I must.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:15 PM] Samael: Can it be... is Sequanna herself imprisoning the undead? With their own regrets?
    [9/22/2017 4:14:15 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:16 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: dead
    [9/22/2017 4:14:16 PM] Sequanna: The dead are bound to me for their protection. I protect them from the pain of their past.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:16 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:17 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: heart of sorrow
    [9/22/2017 4:14:17 PM] Sequanna: My brothers and I forged this heart of our compassion. The longing, the regrets. Forging my chains, forging their chains, forging your chains, Samael.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:17 PM] Samael: (to Sequanna) My chains? But you hold the Heart of Sorrows. Nothing binds me here, my lady.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:19 PM] Sequanna: (to Samael) The link of your chain is your ring, Muriel's ring, the ring, the ring, the ring, the regret, the regret, the regret, so much pain, so very much pain, so very much pain...
    [9/22/2017 4:14:19 PM] Samael: (to you) I think I understand, avatar. Speak to me again. Ask me of my ring.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:19 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:20 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: chain
    [9/22/2017 4:14:20 PM] Sequanna: (to you) I am bound by the longing of the dead. By the regrets of the dead. The rings of their chains bind me in sorrow and loss. The rings of my chains bind the dead to my protection.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:20 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:28 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 4:14:28 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Pain... loss... regret...
    [9/22/2017 4:14:28 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:33 PM] Samael: This... this is the titan Sequanna! What has Anapa done to her? What is the nature of those chains?
    [9/22/2017 4:14:33 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:38 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: ring
    [9/22/2017 4:14:38 PM] Samael: NO! Do NOT speak to me of this ring, or my wife! Why did you bring me here! We must go back!
    [9/22/2017 4:14:38 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:14:40 PM] Jiirc Overshoes: Goodbye
    [9/22/2017 4:14:40 PM] Samael: We should speak to Sequanna.
    [9/22/2017 4:14:40 PM]
    [9/22/2017 4:17:56 PM] Lexie is now offline.
    [9/22/2017 4:19:18 PM] Lexie is now online.
    [9/22/2017 4:20:44 PM] BurningToad is now online.
    [9/22/2017 4:22:50 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 4:22:58 PM] BurningToad is now offline.
    [9/22/2017 4:23:48 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 4:26:02 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 4:26:11 PM] Samael: It is Sequanna! The titan of love herself... bound in chains! But should they not be lifted, that Anapa has been defeated?
    [9/22/2017 4:27:05 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
    [9/22/2017 4:28:04 PM] Samael: It is Sequanna! The titan of love herself... bound in chains! But should they not be lifted, that Anapa has been defeated?
    [9/22/2017 4:29:06 PM] Sequanna: (to you) Avatar - weep for the child lost - weep for the words that cannot be unspoken - weep for the deeds that cannot be undone - weep for the regret - the regret - the regret - the regret.
     
  13. Lum the Mad

    Lum the Mad Developer Emeritus

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    Yes, found out today that Samael at Sequanna had an old version of the dialog with the blocking text - "NO! Do NOT speak to me of this ring, or my wife! Why did you bring me here! We must go back!" - that was removed from the game entirely. With the new version going up soon you should no longer be blocked.
     
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    Thanks for the info. Do you if the change made it into build 556 that was just released? Or do we have to wait for the next build to see the changes?
     
  15. Lum the Mad

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    It should be in the current build as it went in Monday.
     
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    Hi Lum, I went back to Malice before seeing your response. Everything worked out fine. I was able to complete this part of the story.
     
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