Guild war - It's all fun until you meet the exploiters

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  1. Antrax Artek

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    Greetings Avatars, I write to share some thoughts and/or feedbacks regarding the Guild Wars system in game.

    Once back to play by popular demand of my old and new guildmates, as there is practically no PVP content in game we decided to venture into the world of Guild Wars to fill the now empty days of us PVPers.

    We had an awesome guild war with members of House of Mangars, although we were banned from their pot at the governor's decision, their leader and members fought with honor bringing their veterans and new players on the field with the goal of common fun.
    It was 10 days full of action that made our veterans want to play again and intrigued the many new players on both guilds.

    The confrontation, the competition, the risk, the defeats and the victories have filled our days so much that once the war ended my members convinced me to look for a new opposing guild to continue the fun.
    Having seen a sizeable group of the highest level players in the game we decided to launch the challenge to their guild, this was perhaps the biggest mistake we could make since our goals were fun and content to play.
    Not because we weren't up to the challenge but because we weren't ready to face a war against design errors and exploits that hadn't worried us before thanks to the common sense of the previous challengers.

    Now after 4 days of guild war the score is stucked to paltry numbers, despite the days spent looking for a fight I personally have not yet faced the challengers and this unfortunately also thanks to the serious exploits and errors present in the game.

    The only points earned by both guilds are picks on new players, you can see in the screenshot below the situation after 4 days of war compared to the old guild war.

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    In summary this is what can happen and happens during a guild war:

    -Players abusing the party flagging system, forced pvp players at war can remove their pvp flag if a not-pvp player invite them to party.
    -Players can use teleport scrolls while taking damage or even in stealth without this being removed during the casting.
    -Players can click on exits, basement entrances, caravan, boats in combat to avoid to die when they're close to death.
    -Players can switch to private mode while PVP flagged.
    -Players can kick members or move them to another guild during the war without any kind of penalty. This means that at the end the largest guild that welcomes and keep new players will be totally disadvantaged.
    -Players can get a couple of points of advantage and never play outside of private mode, basements and no-pvp parties.
    -Players can enter in a map not-flagged, enemies can't recognize they're enemies then they can drop the party and go on killing spree on newbies.
    -Players can attack others from the locked doors of their house while who is outside can't react, players should not be able to enter and exit from a locked door attacking others and then back into the house without even opening/closing the door, there is just a magic wall that can not be overtaken by the victim but can easily be used at will of the attacker without restrictions.

    What was the result of this? People who were really excited by pvp and was playing SotA all the day are demoralized and disappointed after seeing this kind of action significantly reducing their playing time or even never logging again.
    There is no kind of competition, we don't fight, we don't compare ourselves, we don't find ourselves and when we find someone it's unflagged thanks to the party flagging exploit.

    What then is the meaning of the guild war? I wonder if this is the fun we are looking for.

    My statement is, you want a better game, you want a higher population, stop letting people be scared from the game by abusing the limits and gaps of the game but instead report them and make sure they are fixed.
    This can also be applied to other aspects of the game and not just to pvp.
     
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    up!! please dev fix that!
     
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    I very like the concept of a guild war, it could be very much fun and highly addicive, BUT, not the way it is right now.
    There is no reward for the guilds doing such a war, instead you have to pay your ransoms etc. if they wan't to promote such a concept they realy should add rewards.

    Examples are: A one week lasting guild buff (ex. 10% more crafting ressources etc.) for the winner AND a minor reward for the defeated guild.
     
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    This is easily exploited.
     
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    Indeed i would suggest to devs, to work first on fix exploits, and then adding rewards to it, but in my opinion the guild war system is something that should be looked at realy soon. @Chris @DarkStarr
     
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    I'm sure that feedback like this is invaluable. It might have been a bad experience, but I reckon that such large and complex systems can only reasonably be tested when pitted against human "creativity".

    It stinks that those dudes played dirty, though. It seems like they squandered a rare opportunity to exercise restraint and experience something new and exciting like you had with the previous group. In a perverse way, though, we should all be glad for it because now the flaws are laid bare.
     
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    I'm sorry to hear that your second attempt at a guild war was such a disappointment. I wonder if simply drawing up rules of engagement with an opposing guild before the war starts and appealing to the other guild's honor to uphold the rules would be sufficient to prevent such poor experiences in future.
     
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    Well, that sucks. But, unfortunately, not unexpected.

    I'm actually surprised the first guild war didn't use these tactics/exploits.
     
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    Seeing as how this thread is called, “Guild war - It’s all fun until you meet the exploiters”, I thought maybe you all would like to actually meet one of the so-called exploiters and get their take on this guild war. There’s a lot of heavy accusations going on here and as well as in zone and universal chat in the game, so I’m going to throw in my two cents.

    First and foremost, Antrax says, “Having seen a sizeable group of the highest level players in the game we decided to launch the challenge to their guild, this was perhaps the biggest mistake we could make since our goals were fun and content to play.” This statement makes it sound as if this guild war was proposed and accepted under the assumption of fun for all and with good intentions, which is not the way it happened at all. The challenge was issued and refused multiple times, as it was accompanied by unfounded accusations of exploitation, cheating, and inflammatory comments that continued for quite some time. This was not a gentleman’s agreement type of undertaking, but more of an “I demand satisfaction” old-fashioned duel sort of guild war challenge. There was no mention of “fun” or “content to play” at any time. There was, however, a declaration by Antrax to make war on our guild whether we accepted his challenge or not. I’ve included a spoiler with (lengthy) excerpts from my chat log in case anyone wants to read exactly how it all started. I did cut quite a bit out because the episode lasted well over an hour, but you will get the idea, so get your popcorn ready if that’s your thing. I edited out everything but zone wide chat and removed all the names, hopefully that is okay to post here.
    [8/19/2019 9:46:25 PM] [9:46 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): you guys should all party up and we'll come for you
    [8/19/2019 9:47:27 PM] [9:47 PM] Party 2 Member A (To Zone): k
    [8/19/2019 9:50:48 PM] [9:50 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): ooh orcx carebears zerg
    [8/19/2019 9:50:49 PM] [9:50 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): gg
    [8/19/2019 9:50:53 PM] [9:50 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): how many there? 8?
    [8/19/2019 9:50:58 PM] [9:50 PM] Party Member A (To Zone): 15
    [8/19/2019 9:51:03 PM] [9:51 PM] Margaritte Party 1 (To Zone): care bear stare!
    [8/19/2019 9:52:27 PM] [9:52 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): pros rofl
    (fighting)
    [8/19/2019 9:57:22 PM] [9:57 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): lamo bug abusing poisons
    [8/19/2019 9:57:24 PM] [9:57 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): way to go
    [8/19/2019 9:57:37 PM] [9:57 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): what are you talking about?.
    [8/19/2019 9:57:50 PM] [9:57 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): i bet you're not doing it on purpose
    [8/19/2019 9:58:03 PM] [9:58 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): i'm sure u don't knwo that any on hit poisons tick x amount of time for every people in the map
    [8/19/2019 9:58:04 PM] [9:58 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): ;)
    [8/19/2019 9:59:23 PM] [9:59 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): what now?
    [8/19/2019 9:59:42 PM] [9:59 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): Im not sure
    [8/19/2019 10:02:24 PM] [10:02 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): since you're so good, guild war declaration
    [8/19/2019 10:02:28 PM] [10:02 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): so, which poisons are bugged?
    [8/19/2019 10:02:33 PM] [10:02 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): all of them?
    [8/19/2019 10:02:34 PM] [10:02 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): all on hit poisons
    [8/19/2019 10:02:39 PM] [10:02 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): corpion, chaotic, aether
    [8/19/2019 10:02:41 PM] [10:02 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): spider
    [8/19/2019 10:02:43 PM] [10:02 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): ok, dont use poisons guys
    [8/19/2019 10:03:07 PM] [10:03 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): dot poisons like festering, numbing, deadly are working ok
    [8/19/2019 10:03:20 PM] [10:03 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): ahh, so festering is ok then?
    (another fight where no poison damage was recorded in my chat log)
    [8/19/2019 10:04:11 PM] [10:04 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): sent guild war challenge
    another fight where the only poison damage in my log is Antrax with festering
    [8/19/2019 10:07:09 PM] [10:07 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): i knew u cannot don't use them :p
    (another fight where Party 1 Member A uses spider poison that deals a total of 60 damage to Guild Leader 1, 27 points of damage to a water elemental and 93 damage to Party 2 Member B over the course of two minutes)
    [8/19/2019 10:12:55 PM] [10:12 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): take that
    [8/19/2019 10:13:02 PM] [10:13 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): newbs
    [8/19/2019 10:16:00 PM] [10:16 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): you should call 16-32 people now
    [8/19/2019 10:16:05 PM] [10:16 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): make sure to bug abuse something
    [8/19/2019 10:16:42 PM] [10:16 PM] Margaritte Party 1 (To Zone): you're being kinda silly, you know. no such things as friendly fights anymore, everyone is somehow cheating now?
    [8/19/2019 10:17:27 PM] [10:17 PM] Party 1 Member B (To Zone): why so much **** talk? aren't you always wanting more people to get into pvp?
    [8/19/2019 10:21:54 PM] [10:21 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): Guild Leader 1
    [8/19/2019 10:21:56 PM] [10:21 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): come kill me
    [8/19/2019 10:21:57 PM] [10:21 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): afk
    [8/19/2019 10:21:58 PM] [10:21 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): come
    [8/19/2019 10:22:03 PM] [10:22 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): im going now
    [8/19/2019 10:22:10 PM] [10:22 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): so maybe you can do it again
    [8/19/2019 10:22:35 PM] [10:22 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): grow up. youre in a PvP zone
    [8/19/2019 10:23:07 PM] [10:23 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): and I said we were coming down in zone chat 5 minutes prior to when we did
    [8/19/2019 10:23:10 PM] [10:23 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): and i deserve it
    [8/19/2019 10:23:14 PM] [10:23 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): im an honored player
    [8/19/2019 10:23:28 PM] [10:23 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): why dont u come now?
    [8/19/2019 10:23:39 PM] [10:23 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): im playing since 4 months neither, im so young
    [8/19/2019 10:23:48 PM] [10:23 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): u growed up why cant kill me when not afk?
    [8/19/2019 10:24:03 PM] [10:24 PM] Party Member A (To Zone): oooh, young and juicy! me likes!
    [8/19/2019 10:24:08 PM] [10:24 PM] Party 1 Member A (To Zone): tasty num num num
    [8/19/2019 10:24:20 PM] [10:24 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): i liked kill u too :3
    [8/19/2019 10:24:29 PM] [10:24 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): you just got pwned from 2 people who are playing pvp for the first time. I would be ashamed
    [8/19/2019 10:24:37 PM] [10:24 PM] Party 1Member A (To Zone): why?
    [8/19/2019 10:24:47 PM] [10:24 PM] Party 2 Member B (To Zone): why? hahahaha
    [8/19/2019 10:24:47 PM] [10:24 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): really me and party 2 Member D first time on the battlefield
    [8/19/2019 10:24:52 PM] [10:24 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): and already u will remember our name
    [8/19/2019 10:25:05 PM] [10:25 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): they will, and i'll remember their shitty behavior
    [8/19/2019 10:25:07 PM] [10:25 PM] Party 1 Member A (To Zone): juicy! juicy!
    [8/19/2019 10:25:17 PM] [10:25 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): there was no **** talking or shitty behaviour here
    [8/19/2019 10:25:19 PM] [10:25 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): like now
    [8/19/2019 10:25:21 PM] [10:25 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): scared scared
    [8/19/2019 10:25:26 PM] [10:25 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): ;)
    [8/19/2019 10:25:42 PM] [10:25 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): a lot of ego flying around, we're just playing a game
    [8/19/2019 10:25:48 PM] [10:25 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): me too
    [8/19/2019 10:25:50 PM] [10:25 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): play
    [8/19/2019 10:25:57 PM] [10:25 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): so
    [8/19/2019 10:25:57 PM] [10:25 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): im playing ur game
    [8/19/2019 10:25:59 PM] [10:25 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): better then u
    [8/19/2019 10:26:02 PM] [10:26 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): what are u crying at?
    [8/19/2019 10:26:04 PM] [10:26 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): grown man
    8/19/2019 10:56:33 PM] [10:56 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): very good job, you showed also to new pvpers what kind of people you are, the most ******** zerg in sota ^^
    [8/19/2019 10:56:58 PM] [10:56 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): it's cool also that you have a new little enemy
    [8/19/2019 10:57:05 PM] [10:57 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): we gave warning we were coming down Antrax
    [8/19/2019 10:57:22 PM] [10:57 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): basically you will not play there anymore :)
    [8/19/2019 10:57:31 PM] [10:57 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): trust me ^^
    [8/19/2019 10:57:34 PM] [10:57 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): with did it with hom
    [8/19/2019 10:57:38 PM] [10:57 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): we'll do the same with ya
    [8/19/2019 10:58:00 PM] [10:58 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): It was friendly in doing so, you guys got all twisted up
    [8/19/2019 10:58:07 PM] [10:58 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): here, go buy an ice cream !
    [8/19/2019 10:58:22 PM] [10:58 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): it will be friendly :) trust me
    [8/19/2019 10:58:47 PM] [10:58 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): atleast as friendly as you were
    [8/19/2019 10:58:50 PM] [10:58 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): :D
    [8/19/2019 10:58:59 PM] [10:58 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): isntead dat +6 wand has been gived back, maybe im not the one who should grown here ;)
    [8/19/2019 10:59:14 PM] [10:59 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): by saying 'you guys party up and we'll come down at you' yes
    [8/19/2019 10:59:29 PM] [10:59 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): yes?? me and Party 2 Member C were afk
    [8/19/2019 10:59:38 PM] [10:59 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): you came there with a full 8 people party
    [8/19/2019 10:59:42 PM] [10:59 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): bugabusing the fucking ****
    [8/19/2019 10:59:47 PM] [10:59 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): i don't want to hear another excuse
    [8/19/2019 10:59:50 PM] [10:59 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): that's a win already
    [8/19/2019 10:59:51 PM] [10:59 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): what is done is done
    [8/19/2019 10:59:53 PM] [10:59 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): u had to call people in
    [8/19/2019 10:59:55 PM] [10:59 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): and camper also
    [8/19/2019 11:00:05 PM] [11:00 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): i can teach u how to play this properly if u want ;)
    [8/19/2019 11:00:07 PM] [11:00 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): come check my stream
    [8/19/2019 11:00:12 PM] [11:00 PM] Party 2 Member C (To Zone): Party 1 Member B wont do it anymore :\
    [8/19/2019 11:00:13 PM] [11:00 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): no we didnt, we were here the whole time attenuating in the Throne room
    [8/19/2019 11:00:28 PM] [11:00 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): ichecked and u weren't and i don't care
    [8/19/2019 11:00:30 PM] [11:00 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): war is war
    [8/19/2019 11:00:33 PM] [11:00 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): and it's unilateral
    [8/19/2019 11:00:40 PM] [11:00 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): even if you don't accept the formal challenge
    [8/19/2019 11:01:21 PM] [11:01 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): Im not participating in anything that Party 2 Member B is a part of, and you didnt check, Look at the stats, We've been here for 2 hours
    [8/19/2019 11:01:34 PM] [11:01 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): my advice is: prepare ur loot bags
    [8/19/2019 11:01:47 PM] [11:01 PM] Party 2 Member B (To Zone): too late, you just participated lmao
    [8/19/2019 11:01:50 PM] [11:01 PM] Party 2 Member B (To Zone): :D
    [8/19/2019 11:02:38 PM] [11:02 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): you have ballz Guild Leader 1? accept the guild war
    [8/19/2019 11:04:22 PM] [11:04 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): you're still not accepting the war man
    [8/19/2019 11:04:23 PM] [11:04 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): no ballz?
    [8/19/2019 11:04:28 PM] [11:04 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): we'll make them grow for ya
    [8/19/2019 11:04:44 PM] [11:04 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): kick Party 2 Member B
    [8/19/2019 11:04:50 PM] [11:04 PM] Party 2 Member B (To Zone): lmfao
    [8/19/2019 11:04:52 PM] [11:04 PM] Party 2 Member B (To Zone): gl
    [8/19/2019 11:05:10 PM] [11:05 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): done
    [8/19/2019 11:05:32 PM] [11:05 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): he's out
    [8/19/2019 11:05:50 PM] [11:05 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): whats the length?
    [8/19/2019 11:05:55 PM] [11:05 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): 10
    [8/19/2019 11:06:07 PM] [11:06 PM] Guild Leader 1 (To Zone): how long is this?
    [8/19/2019 11:06:15 PM] [11:06 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): 10 days
    [8/19/2019 11:06:46 PM] [11:06 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): we'll see
    [8/19/2019 11:06:48 PM] [11:06 PM] Guild Leader 2 (To Zone): prepare ur army


    Secondly, “The only points earned by both guilds are picks on new players" isn’t accurate either, as most of the players my side has killed have been active members of Antrax’s Army for years, albeit some still may be lower levels. Our players have actually offered advice to newer players on the other side on how to avoid being picked off by hiding their location. In fact, 20 of the 26 deaths thus far on the AA side have been seasoned veteran players, and the same is true for our side. I’ve died 4 times, myself, and I’m certainly not a new player. I’ve been active and interested in PVP since 2015. Antrax has most definitely been involved in this war, just maybe not to the extent he would prefer.


    Regarding complaints about the flagging system, teleport scrolls, scene exits, basement entry, private mode, and players moving between guilds: these are a part of consensual PVP, which is one of the fundamental tenets of the current PVP system. Players have the right to engage or not engage in PVP, to party with whomever they choose, and to move freely between scenes, game modes, and guilds, regardless of whether or not their guild leader has accepted a declaration of war.


    Regarding players entering scenes not flagged and then flagging: this tactic has been addressed by the devs who incorporated a 60-second stun penalty, and we have an example from this war of that going well, as when an OCX player mistakenly entered New Heaven unflagged and still got a kill. We also have an example of what happens when it goes wrong, as when an Antrax’s Army player assumed he was safe in an unflagged party but was unexpectedly kicked out. He was killed as a result of the stun. Additionally, if a player chooses to enter a scene unflagged, they lose anonymity and become visible on the nearby player list, making flagging in-zone a particularly dangerous gambit.


    In their war with the House of Mangar, Antrax’s Army got to experience large scale conflict, similar to the Napoleonic Wars where people lined up as cannon fodder and players from both guilds happily died for the fun of it. This current war is not “for the fun of it”, as mentioned above. We knew at the onset that the other guild was far more seasoned at these types of wide-scale battles and their higher level players more experienced in 1v1 combat. As a result, we chose to employ a different, more guerrilla style of warfare - picking our battles carefully and trying to make each death have meaning. Both are valid options however we knew we needed the one where we fight smarter if we are to stand a chance at winning this war.

    If you've read this far, I thank you. I know that was a lot, but hopefully, now you have a better understanding of what's happening on both sides of the war. As a reward, have a meme ;) We at OCX think it sums everything up nicely.


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  10. Antrax Artek

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    @margaritte let me answer you with a series of points that dismantle whatever you said in this post.

    -In the post all names of players and guild were censored, there was not a direct accusation to anyone. Personal attacks or references are not allowed on the forum to maintain the quiet life of the community. By doing this you not only have a lack of ethics but you have also broken the rules of the forum adding screenshots of chat and even private chats.
    -None even mentioned how the war started and what were the intentions of both parties, but only our purpose.
    -You have decimated your guild by moving members to that pve to avoid any kind of loss.
    -PVP is not consensual in a guild war, it is intended to be forced PVP or the war itself would make no sense. unfortunately someone discovered that the party flag overwrote the war flag and benefited (that's called exploit)
    -The stun effect of the flagging has effect just when someone get kicked without warning and not when he is preparing for a conscious attack.
    -None in this war is playing any form of guerriglia, unless you want to call it a guerriglia to exploits.
    -I doubt that the American revolutionaries had chance to ban people from their land, hide in houses protected by magic invisible walls, that could become immune to attacks from the enemies thanks to an exploit, or that got their best picks on babies and childs while their children were all sent in another faction making them immune to attacks.

    The sad truth is that you're not winning anything if not an exploit challenge, that your conviction of playing something stealth like rogues or any type of guerrilla warfare is nothing short of worrying.

    Few hours ago you even entered in a locked house taking advantage of the lag. Do you really think of acquiring or demonstrating a minimum of seriousness especially coming in a feedbacks post and making accusations to exculpate yourself from what you have been doing for days now?

    Take an examination of conscience, I advise you to delete any personal references and remove those spoilers, and next time think before writing such a thing.

    PS: I'm not surprised at all that not many enjoy pvp, griefers/exploiters don't just ruin the game but they are also justified.

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    I never saw a boring guild war like that.This war is won by boredom.
     
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    any sane pvp player leaves this game )) the whole game is created for the benefit of the profiteers. who needs to do this to win a guild war should be ashamed ( shame to all cheaters!!!
    for me the winners will always be the ones who will do it without resorting to tricks
     
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    I dont see the point of bringing this here after you talked about that one full day and kept calling everyone an exploiter on discords. You seem to take defeat in a salty way antrax, thats just what it look like.
     
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    I brought here feedback and thoughts on a game mechanic that my guild and I think are wrong and about an exploit that is being widely abused.
    I didn't name anyone, I blamed no one specifically, but perhaps feeling the culprits came alone to derail and postulate the post.
    I have not suffered any defeat, you have been misinformed, but more than anything else it seems the biggest defeat here has been the game design.
     
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    Even hemswal talk about your "abuse flag system" in his post today. You surely cryed to alot of people. Again.
     
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    Sure Devil, our duty is to hide exploits and abuse them. That's the way to go. (sarcastic ofc)
     
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    Thats what most people do here, no one reported the xen bow not being an artifact and repairable with carpentry kit since 6 month. Just heard that on universal chat yesterday. So yeah, the flagging system abuse or whatever it is that im not aware of (like 95% of people that doesnt pvp) clearly didnt get reported too. So does the backslot item that never get any major durability etc etc. There alot of bug that please people that doesnt get reported until it goes back into them. We know that story
     
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    What is your point? We should not report any bug and abuse it? If i know of a bug i report and avoid to use it, unless not using it blocks me to play.
     
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    My point isyou already reported it, now wait like everyone else do. Dont go around and yell out loud about that bug in every corner until it get fixed, people are waiting other fix too, take your turn.
     
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