Is it me, or is it pay to win

It is amazing how adept you are at sailing blithely past the point...

 

That's because you seem to miss the basic premise that this is a for profit company NOT a charity. I volunteer for a charity, give up every wed night and most weekends to do various things for them, I run there training, I manage the division. Would I do that for Woolworths? HELL NO, they make a profit they can pay me. The same goes here, they are intending to make a profit out of this, the "equity" that any investor would get is the pledge rewards. They aren't gifts out of the kindness of RG's heart, they are returns on investment

 

I'm so glad you validated your position with real life experience... while you continue sailing away...

The point, since you seem to have missed it, was that EVERYONE who pledged more than $10 to support this game did so with the receipt of a working copy of the game as a return on their investment. Yes, there are SIGNIFICANT sweeteners on the dish for pledging more, but at the core of it, EVERYONE pledged for one thing: to help make this game happen.

 

Quoted For Truth

 

You mean everyone bought the game. Hey I bought a block of chocolate yesterday, not because I think cabury is a great company and I so want them to do well and blah blah blah. No I bought it because I was hungry and felt like it. I also bought Tomb Raider yesterday and guess what, I bought it for the same reason, it sounded like a great game and the price had gone down to a level I felt like I was ready to buy it. Everyone who bought a first responder pledge did so for the same reason, they thought it was a good game and worth the price of $25 (or whatever)

 

I think it says GAME

Look further down the kickstarter page to Bonus rewards & Pledge UPDATES.

$25 - FIRST RESPONDER --- DIGITAL DOWNLOAD OF FULL GAME.

And That's what people paying the $60 on release will expect.

 

Now, please excuse me while I go hunt down some deer with my Elven bow, carve it up with my skinning knife and cleaver of Prosperity, retire to my Lighthouse, and kick back to a good read of Novia's early history, as penned by Tracy the Elder, of Hick.

(Seriously... I'm going deer hunting in Novia... have fun! )

(P.E.: Please note... I don't have any of this (which might be indicated by the Elven Bow, which probably isn't even in the game yet).

 

This lil nugget right here just *sparkles*

 

So by that logic, there should be no pledge tiers, because everyone who pledged should have full ACCESS to everything in the game? Sorry, I missed where the words FULL ACCESS TO EVERYTHING were in those pledges...

*pulls out scrying lens*

(See what I did there? Being able to download the FULL GAME does not confer ACCESS to everything inside it... back to hunting deer...)

 

Except it's not true. Is it really so inconceivable to some of you that at least some people pledged for the rewards associated with the tier?

 

Exactly, so paying for pre placement of your house on a lot is a crap shoot. You could place your house in a seemingly high traffic location only to find out that the players are congregating somewhere distant. Someone that builds the assets and purchases everything from within the game could end up with a prime location.

 

Nope... waiting for the update to download on crappy hotel internet because my job has me in a different state every week

Maybe you should come hunt them with me... I am hunting them to see what improvements were made on one of my first suggestions *laughs* If I approve, only a couple will die... If not, there will be BLOOD!

 

The property out on the front lines could be way more valuable. Maybe more risk of being under siege but those hard core PvPers that you sell to probably want to get your house back for you ASAP.

It's all about perspective.

 

It's not a crap shoot. It's nice because I can be fairly sure to get a spot close to the players I know and want to live by. Backers who get lot deeds definitely have an advantage where it comes to community building, unless they plan to live in a player owned city that will hold a spot for them. But on the front of material advantage, yeah, I'd agree--except for those players who plan to use community to build an attractive POI, but as far as I know almost every single one of those people will be living in a player owned town anyway.

 

yep I pledged founder lord marshal just for the perks, as many people do. It is a trade off. The game needs funding, but people are not going to give without incentive. You do not give money for nothing.

 

Did you miss the "at the heart" part? EVERYONE pledged, because they wanted to help make the game happen... SOME pledged MORE because they liked what they saw. I won't lie... my immediate pledge (when I had the money) was Collector, as I wanted access to all 5 episodes, the collector's box, coin AND the map!

 

Right? There's no shame in admitting that we are getting valuable perks in return for our pledge money. If that makes it P2W in the eyes of some, so be it. Personally my take on it is in line with RG's argument, which is that similar bonuses would be purchasable from other players anyway via eBay and the like. I admit it I did prefer the original pledge structure, which offered less in the way of rewards, though. That felt pretty appropriate and not so overwhelming at the higher tiers.

 

I see posts getting deleted. And the regret sets in.

 

No, I didn't miss it. I called shenanigans on it.

 

oh... I'm terribly sorry... it was naive of me to think that everyone pledged to make the game... I guess some pledged for the rewards or perks not caring whether the game is made or not... I was wrong with my assumption... T_T