List of approved words, figures etc.

Hello RP-Community, dear @Lord British , @Berek.

Today I was made aware that the lore I wrote for my guild wasn't approved and deleted from the game.
Strangely only 1 person in my community was affected by this, so other copies and items from the lore
we created still exists (don't worry I'll delete my copies manually), but since I have been a repeated offender of rules and want to avoid any further
trouble I need guidance as I am rewriting the lore for my community.

Now our lore contained the word KEK, symbol for the egyptian god of darkness often depicted as a frog,
snake etc. Since we found the frogkin ring ingame we thought it would be a nice fit for our dark lore, as we
play evil characters in SotA.

I was surprised to read that this seems to be not appropriate for Shroud, as to my understanding of the Community Guidelines KEK isn't mentioned as a forbidden term, nor is KEK a negative religious symbolism.

To my understanding KEK mainly serves as a gamer term for lol. Yes, some gamers use a here forbidden symbol to represent KEK (as frog) but we didn't after you changed the Guidelines, we used the snake *Serpent* from that point (in game and forums).

Now this guilt by association seems a little frightening for a lot of our members, we would like to get an approved list of things I am allowed to use within my lore.

Where is the historical line you draw? e.g. Hospitaller's were slave holders, but seem to be fine as their symbolisms are used in game.

Our community is working closely with several gaming sites to widen our reach and attract more players.
Since it is part of our guilds story, we would like to settle the issue as soon as possible as release is closing in

This is not an attempt to troll, this is a serious question, even though I have to admit it's bewildering to have to ask such a thing.

Regards,
Vallo Frostbane.

 

I think we are aware in the US liberal sites were trolled hard. Rest of the world had a laugh

 

I think it is because you have previously raised criticism so instead of the benefit of doubt they will try to find a reason for you to not be allowed to do or say something. Makes you wonder if certain other people would have used it, would they have even noticed?

 

I guess if I found the lore and symbolism I created in a game link to something similar used by the Alt-Right I would delete / change it. Especially if I by chance used the same symbols and story... This is because I wouldn’t be interested in tainting my lore or as a matter of fact be connected to such a movement. Otherwise you will have to accept that people generally will assume your supporting the KEK of the alt right.

 

Yes thats why we delete it as we need to cater to people who cannot comprehend the context. Now I want a list of approved content. As I said the Hospitallers where slave traders and murdered muslims. Their symbol is banned in several muslim countries to this day. But approved here.
Same goes for Swastika. Forbidden in my country but common symbol in asia.

Making that clear will avoid further problems.

Maybe forbid all RL symbols, just like names of popular fiction etc.?

 

Reading these things, makes me glad I'm nearing the end of my life. This thing where people actually look for things to get offended about is pretty dam old. It started with extreme calorie intake. Fact.

 

Perhaps they listened to my reports about the use of "kek". You know very well what it means and it's not all about some frog god. It's about fascism, racism, and sexism. It has ZERO role in the game.

Thanks for removing this, Portalarium staff!

 

The staff are equitable across all that players. You have no leg to stand on to even assume this, less much post it as a possibility.

 

Wow how far does this madness go. If i use a celtic symbol now and 4chan desides to use it for trolling in the next far right movement, does this make me automatically a right winger?
If i postet a Pepe Meme befor that **** happend, does that make me a racist person? This reminds me that a friend got banned from a game because he used n Avatar picture with the Symbol of the German Military in it, because people think this was right wing propaganda. People going crazy with their witch hunt lately.

 

This.... This is what seriously offends me. Under one of these symbols people actually owned slaves and were Islamaphobes, and now its being celebrated and backed by both the community and devs. The other was co-opted as a joke by the internet and is somehow more offensive.

Its 2017 and we are still propagating slavery and Islamaphobia. In a time where we are making true progress by tearing down statues and renaming streets, I don't think it's appropriate to celebrate yet another symbol of actual hate. WTF is going on? Things like this is why our country(USA) cant heal our wounds from mistakes of the past. Frankly, it saddens me.

 

Welcome in the year 2017 were even drinking milk is already racist:
http://theconversation.com/milk-a-symbol-of-neo-nazi-hate-83292
Everyone who drunk milk today, shame on you!

 

No, it doesn't. But once you become aware that the symbol is used by right-wingers (or left wingers) you will have to accept that other people move you in that corner. Outside art- or science you cannot show a Swastika in Germany and wonder if people think you have a connection to national-socialism. Symbols carry weight and a message, if one movement highjacks a symbol and dominates its interpretation you need to acknowledge this and accept that not everybody will investigate individually what meaning a symbol has for you and what message you want to send. You cannot not communicate and the usage of symbols is also communication.

 

I am going to assume that you are spinning this as "I didn't know" but you really did. Because you don't strike me as the type of person that would admit that they did know (but you do strike me as someone who would raise the issue in a round about way, feigning ignorance). You reference Hospitallers as justification, which furthers in my mind that you knew what you were using. It is never a good form of reasoned debate to point to something else as justification for why you did something that people generally find wrong.

If it is true what you say about Hospitallers , then sure, we should debate taking it down. But bear in mind, I don't recall Hospitallers being symbols of hate. Misguided 12th/13th century crusader types? Most likely. KEK, the alt-right, racists, it's all the same thing - hate.

Can you tell me Hospitallers were about hate? Do you have references?

 

There is a difference between forbidden symbol like the Swastika that stands for a time of terror and a troll flag that was used once in a far right rally in Berkeley. There is no right wing organisation behind it, just stupid kids who make fun of it.
And DoD released this book befor it was used in the rally.

I have seen a flag with the Star of Texas on a Black Sun, does this make Texas far right because some kids use it? Wait .... Texas .... Austin .... Black Sun, that sounds familiar!

 

I think it should be fair enough to use "Kek" in the way he is expressing, as Ive always thought its actually quite offensive when Westerners demand an authentic Jain symbol be censored due to its semblance to the Nazi Swastika.

The Jain swastika in reference has such a completely different meaning than the Nazi Swastika, and it actually looks quite different too. It has been used by mega-millions of people over a period of at least 2300 years (but if you ask some of its followers, theyll tell you something between 85,000 and 850,000,000 years). I actually feel safe saying it is used by over a billion people, over this time period at least. Its not their fault some uneducated assholes appropriated their culture and perverted their symbols. Its just as ignorant to censor the Jain symbol by mistaking it for a Nazi symbol, but it happens all the time in the West. German foreign ministers even diplomatically pressured a Japanese tourist location to censor its use of the Jain swastika due to too many Germans visiting the spot and complaining that they had to see "something offensive." Its offensive to confuse these symbols, its more offensive to push the political agenda of your minority perspective onto a culture with this deep and widespread of a heritage.

Just cuz some alt right assholes use three letters that just happen to match an ancient Egyptian god is about as ridiculous. Again, provided those representing said group come forward and make it perfectly clear what their intentions are and their (lack of) affiliation with any hate groups, of course (and it sounds like he/they has/have). I guess we dont know for sure exactly why the OP's guild's lore was changed, so I dont want to assume this is the reason either. But just saying, its just as ignorant to mix things like this up, as it is to culturally appropriate symbols and pervert/retard their meanings.

It might make sense in your back yard, but to the rest of the world, you end up looking like a redneck carryin' on about witchcraft because you aren't educated in anthropology or world history.

 

This proves the point. Some "alt right assholes" co-opted this Jain symbol, and now it cannot be used. I think that pretty much sums up why you can no longer use the symbol/word. And by the way, I don't ever remember seeing a Jewish "redneck carryin' on about witchcraft" - the symbol is obviously deeply offensive to them, even ones who live in India now I am sure.

 

I think the legal concept of "a moron in a hurry" needs to be considered here.

 

let me summarize:

your tiny portion of the human race finds it offensive that an extremely tiny portion of the human race took a symbol that billions of people commonly use, and repurposed it. that is in no way provision of the privilege to declare that "it can not be used" - even for its original and continued purpose, in its intended context.

let me summarize further:

you dont make the rules for the whole world