Any "real" PVP zone after the final wipe?

Womby, when we talk about risk we have to assess both the likelihood and the impact of an event (threat) occurring.

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In the case of PVE, the likelihood that a player will die is very LOW. While in PVP it's much higher.

The impact of dying is also LOW or MEDIUM if you're in PVE because you can't be looted. In PVP you take on a HIGH risk of being looted, so not only does your gear that you keep take a hit but you also risk losing your body parts and have to pay a premium to ransom back any item that is taken from you.

This is why PVE and PVP are not equal in risk. It's a fact, I'm not making it up because I enjoy PVP.

 

Oh ok, yes I see what you're saying now. You're assuming that people could get to their home without being ganked 100 times during a 30 day window. I think that's probably just giving PVPers more opportunity to gank really. But it's an interesting part of the discussion.

 

Certain parts of PvP get an answer of suck it up. A lot of the parts of PvP does, actually. They put all they stuff into the house while it was PvP right?

Also, houses have permissions don't they? Evicted and all the stuff in a centralized location instantly vs 30 day notice with permissions controls. I'd say it would help some.

 

I have an idea for PvP looting and zones.. I do not want a separate zone for pvp I myself would stop playing.. I still want to be able to interact with the none pvp players when I go into a town. I myself do like to raid dungeon and kill elite monsters and I would like to be able to find these groups in town. I think it should all be one instance but like it is now how your flagged for pvp but you should have to be flagged to attack another pvp player. Not just coming out from none pvp and attacking a pvp player.. Here is my idea I just thought of and I think it could work. They could have a loot ruleset in place where you yourself can wager how many items you would risk loosing at death. Everyone would have a separate window for setting wager info. If you wanted you could risk up to your max in your backpack (This would mean your a full lootable player. Maybe have a number in pink next to his name of how "lootable" he is.) Now I know there has to be some sort of rules in place if for example say you get ganked by two people one has 10 lootable items and the other has 2 lootable and you yourself has 12 lootable items set. You will then in turn only still loose 2 items if you die you loose the least amount of items of who ever attacked you this makes it so you cant have one guy set with 100 lootable items and everyone else having 1 in a group.. this would not be fair. So in turn making people with higher lootables trying to 1v1 these other higher lootable players instead of ganking.. I for sure would be saying in teamspeak "this is my kill I want all his lootables dont you dare touch him lol". Let me know what other suggestions you have or examples on why this wouldn't work Thank you

 

Unfortunately, PvP in SotA never takes you out of the left column.

 

I invite you to try a run through the Crypt of the Avatar (single player only so by definition PVE).

 

You're not losing items in the crypt of the avatar. And that's comparing apples to oranges. If a PVP area has the same number of player characters trying to kill you, you're more likely to die AND lose items.

I'm not trying to say PVE is bad or make commentary on the players that enjoy it. I'm simply explaining that the risks involved in PVP are much higher as a rule of thumb.

 

Very cool idea. I think even if it was on a scale from 2-8 this would be fantastic. I also think it would be cool if pvp players got titles based off how long they stayed in there risk level. @Chris

 

It seems like it would be a simple PVP algorithm. Possibly implemented upon login. Or editable 30 minutes after the last combat.

This would definitely add a lot of excitement to the game.

 

Sorry to dredge this far back into the thread. Question... What impact will instancing have upon entering Rat's Nest? I have never read that instances will be filled until at capacity before starting a new one. Thus, with several or more instances going at once, essentially the ban on single player seems almost meaningless. There will be single players in multiplayer instancing and several scenarios playing out concurrently if lots of people are entering the scene IMO.

 

It allows for the opportunity to have risk where none would exist in SPO.

 

This is critical Baron, I do hope the listened to you.

 

seems like open pvp is happening every day for at least few days now. Minus the ignored gank opportunities i witnessed, i saw a small group taking mercenary contracts for money and fulfilling them, and folks get PKed at public vendors a coupleof days, one of them into a 4 vs 1, which further escalated into a 3 vs 2 and i think a 3 v 3, and at least 2 of them came out a couple thousand gold richer.

A pk tried to gank a group fighting the dragon, but the chain lightning bug madeit impossible. I saw a couple of people attack a pvp guy in super buffed up cloth armor and get owned by him/her (super masterworked/enchanted with super low durability but apparently very worthit)

NONE of this occured in PvP zones. All in npc towns. Even tho its only fighting off PKs, it still seems like more action than what most of yall seem to be witnessing (this was just in the past few days, after i flagged pvp) and im wondering why.

Also i got randomly PKed twice

 

Still the PVP Pot idea is the worst you can come up with. If you want fair fights you go to a tournament... We got those. Good.

For open PVP you fight to get a reward (Loot, EXP, newbie tears etc.) and you don't fight fair (at least not when you want to be good at it)... how long will it take until people realize they don't have to live in the town to kill citizens there and loot what they drop, or steal their stuff... It makes no sense and those towns will be mostly empty.

Make PVP zones (Ruins and Shardfalls) worth to visit in MP mode, and you will see some fights there. The whole POT PVP concept wont work if Port' doesn't create a need for people to go there.

 

Pickpocket bug created a lot of pvp.

 

None of these were a result of pickpocketing, they were random encounters that sprung up