I have discovered a love of PvP.... in ESO. I have been having a total blast - and my char is not even very high lvl. Excitement, teams, using ballista, capturing and defending keeps, ability to rez, and come back and keep fighting, rankings, quests and skill gains... these are all elements that go into making a fun PvP environment to my way of thinking. Motivation? Fun based on the joy of participation -- accomplishing goals together as a team. What has my experience been in SoTA? Being ganked repeatedly, losing my stuff or having to ransom it, and total personal humiliation. Motivation? Fun? No... maybe it's the 'excitement' due to the fear of potential loss? ha! Sorry -- that doesn't motivate me at all. Which experience sounds better to you? I can see that there 's a lot to be learned from playing some of the more popular mmo's. I strongly recommend you try them - especially the devs. Why don't you take a break from your grinding toil to give it a try? You might come up with a fresh perspective.
I feel like the flag bonuse for PVP was a stall to hold over some players as they continue to implement other things. I find it hard to belive that the Port team doesnt know what goes into making a good fun PVP game, and implementing it, and feel like theres lots to come yet. Theres 100 x things lacking in this game, and i agree that is one of them. That being said, they dont even have combat balance figured out yet, game performance, or skills even done. Not to mention scenes not uncloned, and a lot of major things even starting to be implemented yet.. So i dont expect to see a good real PVP involved patch going in, untill some other of the major issues are done. That being said, im confident they are competent enough to know to implement something along the lines of what we both want ( your post ) Lol they could do something silly like break an instance into 3 tier ... and have a simple team vs team, keep control instance where players pick the team they are on or something, and fight for the keep. ( Break it into 3 levels based on adv level or something) - And it would be a very simple, silly, arena style pvp setup that is still more .. .. .. forfilling? then the current stuff in play. I find it hard to belive they dont know that already tho.
I am also trying ESO recently. There are some pros and cons. How far do I have to level/quest to reach PvP content?
It seems to me (as an impartial PVE outsider), that if people are having fun then the last thing you want to do is interrupt that fun and send them away. Yet that is exactly what losing a weapon or piece of armour or essential spell ingredient will do. Thinking about it, it seems that there are two different concepts of fun here, and they do not seem to be compatible. One concept loves the fear of loss. This generates excitement. The other is focused purely on the joy of winning. This is more like the feeling that one gets from participation in a team sport. SotA is currently trying to support both at the same time, but those who would just like to engage in battle and return immediately after death without impairment are not interested in what's on offer. ESO is more their kind of game. Perhaps SotA could have two modes of PVP. One for those who love the excitement that one gets from risk, and another for those who are more interested in the possibility of winning in a team sport, but won't participate currently because the potential cost is too high, and the possibility of being forced out of the conflict doesn't appeal to them. I can imagine prolonged battles in the new volcanic PVP island currently being constructed, but that won't happen if people can't afford to keep rejoining the fray after death.
I also enjoy PvP... so whenever I want to engage in some player versus player combat, I would start SMITE and get into the Arena. Or, if I want to shoot people, I would get into Special Force 2 or CS: GO and do my usual spray and pray tactic... LOL
I would love the devs to release your stats for : Just guessing here but i think you may have exaggerated your experiences... Disappointed by this thread honestly....have fun out there o/
Being ganked repeatedly just means you haven't learned how to run away yet. Next time - exit the scene (in any direction) or group up with friends! Don't run solo if you don't have too. This was my eye-opening Oracle ransom - just a few pieces of gold shy of 54k in total. I was AFK during a PVP tournament of all places and got taken to the cleaners. - lesson learned - don't nap! For folks just coming from SPO or those that are so used to PVE that nothing else makes sense... here's a primer to get you started. BE READY! unstack all you stuff and keep a light inventory load some crap wearables into your inventory take only the reagents you need for any given adventure - don't pack like you're hitting the road for two months wear pledge gear until you're ready - this isn't an exploit - this is just being smart don't run solo. ok, I run solo everywhere - but I also team up with everyone I run into exit to the overworld map if you're going AFK DO YOUR HOMEWORK! meaningful PVP isn't full loot - loot isn't even a boon for most PVPers... I relinquish every ransom as do many players meaningful PVP doesn't mean you have to swing at everyone flagged either. I cross paths with PVP types all the time and there's no drama... hell, most of the time we're shooting each other party requests the virtue system here in SotA is tied to PVP - always expect in game consequences for all your actions remember the ganker's names - if you get ganked remember who did it... team up or whisper me and we'll hunt them down together and serve justice upon them PVP is supposed to be hard - if it was easy - it would suck Meaningful PVP is taking a more visible shape - not only because of the virtue system but also with the new scene that's coming online... Blood Bay - stay tuned! Good things are on the way!
As a former ESO Emperor I can tell you it is fun, maybe you better stay there if RvR is more your thing. This goes more into the UO style of PVP, which I appreciate more. Last release really got me interested in the game again! PVP finally happens and the world feels more alive.
I'm a fat Khajit part of @Fatcats Guild. All I do is eat food. Yet in PvP I was in a group of about 20 - 30 people. I told the leader that his guidance pretty much was terrible and we're getting no where. I was a level 27 Khajit telling CHAMPIONS (level 400+) to get a grip and find a new leader. They gave that leadership to me. ERRRR....what? WHY ME? All I want to do is sunbath and eat. Yet, I directed a group of 30 people to take over 4 castles and capture an Elder Scroll. Sophi was accompanying me too and we had as blast. Elder Scrolls are important for bonuses for the faction. THIS is the first time I've ever lead a group or even captured an item of major importance. I took the scroll, was escorted by many pvp'ers in my faction and I took them to the wrong area to place the scroll.... so we had to travel to the other side of the map to place it in the right area. I didn't get punished or flamed. I was protected by players who just wanted to have fun and kill stuff. I wasn't praised for my efforts. I'm just glad I finished the job. It's intense. Expect surprises. You will be interrupted by rude players whilst you munch on your fishy sticks. But it's good fun! I've died so much, but I don't care. Riding with so many players is awesome. ESO is really good fun and you don't have to be high level or experienced. I can see SotA being it's own unique thing. It's always going to be different from all the cliche stuff other games are doing. I only hope it implements ways for players to have fun and not be punished for everything they do.
again... my thoughts about this whole ESO vs SotA thing is very simple... just play the game you are having FUN with... if you're having a blast in ESO then go and enjoy it... if not then come back to SotA because you are always welcome here... (and the PKers are not going anywhere either, they'll wait patiently for your return... LOL) PEACE... (ღ˘⌣˘ღ)
I'm in a third category; fun PvP for me, in the context of a role-playing game, is PvP that's meaningful in the context of the game world. I don't like PvP that's entirely focused on the fear of losing, because that means there are no goals to achieve. Gank-or-be-ganked is just purposeless and doesn't have much of a point to it. But I don't like PvP that's entirely focused on the joy of winning, because without losing meaning something, then winning is a trivial activity. You need winning to have real stakes to it. That's why I think SotA is going down the right road if the aim is to incorporate and balance both sides. I have played ESO, never got into the PvP side of things. The most attractive thing about what I've read about the PvP in the game though is how it integrates into the world. However, I'm not so impressed by the idea of battling solely for buffs or prizes if that's all there is (who needs them, really?) I also never liked MMOs I've played where dying means endless do-overs, simply because it's trivializing, and also you generally never have to learn from your mistakes. (And also can actually end up feeling very grindy as a result over the long term...) I'm looking forward to seeing the devs future plans to integrate PvP into the world, and keep it meaningful, while balancing it to also keep it fun.
Totally agree with the OP... PvP in ESO is a lot of fun. It's also a lot of fun -- for similar reasons -- in Guild Wars 2. In SotA? Er... not so much. It's not even worth comparing it to the others, honestly.
I agree with you @Sophi in some of the good combat mechanics and the combat feeling you have playing ESO. I hope we can see something similar in sota in the future. But in general, for me the pvp in MMOs is all about risk vs reward, and some kind of "consequences". I would not pick a themepark game if I have a good sandbox MMO in front of me This is my experience in ESO since beta days. I have been playing ESO for two years and the PvP (daoc style, nothing to do with UO pvp) has still toons of bugs, unbalanced builds (inmortal templars in last 2-3 months are a joke, an example) and lag issues in big battles. These issues are since beta/launch days. ESO is a good themepark MMO, specially if you are a pve lover (lot of good quiality content), and I really enjoyed my time there but the PvP has no real consequences, basically..nada. Sadly Zenimax decided mooonths ago that they don't care about pvp, because they know that pve playerbase is the only one that keeps the game alive. If anyone want to know what happen with ESO pvp since release, just check Sypher's (vet pvp player) videos on youtube. I enjoyed pvping in ESO with some pvp guilds, but there is nothing in the long term interesting in a game with no high end pvp content and zero risk vs reward mechanics. If someone is looking for a great pve experience, ESO is one of the best options. /wave, Rada Torment.
Remember how we used to argue about this particularity very early on ? Told ya, its not too late... sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but there is only one way to do it... cause no human or group can be that bright... we're cool but we keep failing, we should get the clue, its the core of all our fabled entertainment ! Think ESO is fun ? Wait till you see a fully realised spiritual ultima sucessor that LISTENS to its brainchild. Don't hate me, I'm just the messenger.
PvP+ players should be fully lootable -period- This buy back systems Sucks.... Having "real-life" shop items be non-lootable is a no-go. Thats about the worst thing i so far know about the game. Shame on whoever came up with this rotten idea. Feel free to expose yourself.... // Armar
