The disparity between suet and beetle carapace

These items provide different properties to different armor types, straps , bowstrings etc. but they are not created equal.

You can go into almost any zone and kill mobs and skin them for the suet.

For carapace you can only obtain this from harvesting 'wild cotton'.

With the implementation of agriculture, would it not be nice to have a chance at a carapace on harvesting BASED ON YOUR FORAGING skills. Meaning you don't get a free pass just growing cotton, you need to go out spend the time and xp to be good at picking cotton to get the carapace.

Another item, I believe the carapace used to be called spider carapace then was switched to beetle. To balance out the disparity would not this be an option that skinning a spider led to this 'beetle carapace' and instead of calling it beetle carapace just call it carapace. (y0u could also introduce a new mob that drops this as an alternative)

In any adventure zone the max number of cotton bushes is somewhere between 6 -12 on the high end and involves a ton of running around to get them. For suet .. just work your field dressing up and get it like candy as you kill all the skinnable mobs.

There is no higher value to the carapace made items even though it is far harder to obtain than the suet .. it is a matter of build choice, but the obtaining of the materials to make these armors or sub components for weapons etc is to the far extreme for carapace versus suet.

Please address this before launch.

@Chris (dont know bejus? name)

 

I dont think any advanced resource should be obtained thru agriculture.

Would be better to obtain it through high level butchery

 

You mean @Bzus

 

But do you agree there is un-needed disparity as it is? I am just proposing ways in the current system to possibly fix this heh.

 

I like this ... Perhaps some new bugs that drop a shell which we can butcher and maybe get a beetle . Just collecting it from planting cotton seems too easy for such an important resource... Anyway something has to be done ... the drop rates are extremely low .. The same goes for pine resin .

 

I was considering the same thing then realized that you're supposed to be keeping your cotton free of pests if you'e ffarming.

 

From my experience, hardened leather is also far superior to supple leather.

 

How about this, when running wild cotton through a loom, there be a chance to get Carapace... Of course you would need to store 2 different stacks of raw cotton, 1 from farming and the other being wild...

 

I agree with this since wild cotton is obviously infested with beetles since no one is taking care of it.

Spinning off this point, why not let people have a chance of harvesting beetle larvae from wild cotton? They then have a choice:

1. Infect their domesticated cotton with the beetle larvae but will have to minimize watering to get the maximum carapace yield. Cotton production consequently suffers

2. Forget about the whole beetle larvae idea and just get the maximum cotton yield by doing all the required waterings.

It's one of those choice & consequence thingys we avatars are supposed to be fond of. And just to add to the mix, include a small chance of accidentally infecting your next door neighbour's cotton field.

Blood feuds have been known to start with less

 

make an insect mob that drops them problem solved

 

forestry yields 2 beetles that arent currently used for anything

Hemlock borer beetle, Emerald ash borer beetle

 

I agree that its fair that (beetle) carapaces be found from more than just the current source. I craft both hardened and supple leather armors, and am well aware of how much more value is packed into the hardened (due to scarcity of beetle carapaces).

However, I understand why it was removed from spiders - spiders dont have carapces! Theyre squishy, as they are not insects.

Scorpions, though, could drop carapaces. Scorpions of the size in SotA would yield some pretty tough chitin!

 

Due to the sheer goodness of how good beetle carapieces are for armor, i cannot support an easier way to aquire them

 

I agree with OP, though I initially thought this would be the same as a feedback thread I made about how suet straps and beetle straps are not at parity in their benefits vs. bolts and yards.

 

I wonder why straps were excluded?

 

Could always just give a chance to collect more than 1 carapace at a time from a cotton bush.

 

They could make it so that each Meticulous Collection has the same chance as the first (right now, it has none) to get a carapace.

 

They were not excluded from the 2nd tier bump; they were never at parity from the beginning. Crafting was low priority so my posts have been mostly ignored. I'll wait for next QA and show it again, though I expect zero reply..again. (slightly bitter...yes).

 

Maybe another solution is make suets more viable to use in crafting, because now it seems it's carapace or bust.

 

Tiers shouldn't be balanced between each other, imo