New stuff on the addon store!

What, an entomologist?

 

I just read the page you linked...
Nowhere does it say the CF vendor or the tables are "Exclusive"
However, it does say, "Expert level crafting station for your home, uniquely identifiable as a Founder’s crafting station."

Are they selling uniquely identifiable crafting stations in the add-on store?
No?
Well... My goodness...

 

The thing above said it was exclusive early backer reward.
Once it was later added to bundles permenantly i mean. Wasnt it no longer exclusive to early backers then?

I mean after it started appearing in bundles, thats the point it was no longer exclusive right?

 

This thread has taught me more about the character of individual posters in this community than any other in the last 5 years of participating in this forum.

 

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Of course they are. The separate the sections!!

All below the “Exclusive Rewards Title“ is Exclusive!

Click on the Souce Link and you will understand: https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?p=24856

They did make a fat seperation „Exclusive Early Founder Rewards“ and below these are listed on every tier

Again - this is how i understood it.

 

When they start selling +5 crafting stations in the add-on store with a Founder or Benefactor flag hanging on the front of them, I'll be right there on the band wagon beside you, raising 9 kinds of hell...
Until then... They haven't violated anything...
Look guys... You prospected without reading the fine print objectively for loopholes...

Hehe... I don't know what to tell ya... Everything you needed to know was right there in black and white!

 

But that is basically what frustrated already prior.

What is the difference of changing a color or making a different symbol in front of it.

It is not unique anymore. That is how it did feel for the customer.


- You will get a Exclusive unique commision free vendor. - well with green eyes!

If a vendor has blue eyes - all can have it.This way we respect our early supporters.

Come on! I am not stupid.

But different subject. Kicking dead horse. Lol

 

You're the one that doesn't know the meaning of the word. While whale may mean many things, fish is not one of them.

 

With all due respect friend...
I didn't read anywhere that the CF Vendor was an "Exclusive" item...
Maybe I'm just a blind sumbitch, cause I didn't see it...

 

Ok.

If i make a separation in Germany it is to make clear to the customer what belongs to what group.

Example

Normal Rewards
A
B
C
D
Exclusive Founder Rewards
E
F
G
H


I do not have to say exclusive In front of E,F,G,H anymore. Because the above seperation defines them as them.

Now look again: https://www.shroudoftheavatar.com/?p=24856


Again: My opinion how i understood it back then. Maybe wrong?

 

The only one I saw that "may" have footing to complain is the [Sold Out] Baron 1 Pledge, that "does" include the CF Vendor in the "Exclusive" realm...
And if they "don't" have a legitimate gripe, then all you prospectors, "might" wanna take a hard look at Baron 1 CF Vendors, and question "why" Portalarium discontinued that pledge and made a Baron 2 pledge back in the day... Hint... Hint...

 

Well this is ****, bought 2 CF vendor at 1mil each IGG... Now they are 150k..

 

Well then we agree to disagree. Happens.


At the end every customer personel decision

 

That's not the proper analogy.

Scalping concert tickets is about selling tickets way over and above the face value. For example a ticket with a face value of $100 for, say, $5000.

If you extrapolate that to player market for cf vendors, it would be like selling a cf vendor for much higher than the cost of the bundle it came from. Which is not true.

The player market price for cf vendors ($100-120) is a parsed-out valuation within the cost of the bundle ($574).

Given this fact, I don't feel I'm paying more than it's worth when I purchase a cf vendor from another player. There wouldn't be a market for them if this price was unreasonable.

The proper analogy for what happened today is, like purchasing something from a store yesterday, then today that item goes on sale for 70% off, and there is no recourse (no price guarantee policy, no original purchase refunds, no price differential refunds).

It's anger from those who paid regular prices because suddenly without rhyme or reason the product is way cheaper.

It's not speculation. There's no bubble burst.

 

As someone who pledged at the Ancestor level, I am fine with port selling CF vendors, or any other pledge rewards at the current time. In fact I would have been fine with it all along. Pledges should have been structured more as a cost saving benefit vs buying items separate. This would still be a good structure. I bought my pledge mostly for the TF row lot as I wanted not to worry about the need to play to pay taxes.

I would rather see the game succeed than fail. I have argued for a long time the developers were not paying enough attention to the peons.

The biggest problem with SOTA is that there are too many chiefs and no surfs to tend the fields. Why? The taxes (be they in game gold for a plot - or extreme effort needed to succeed) were too high. The surfs took one look at this kingdom and moved on to the next(game). I think the developers have finally come to the realization of power in numbers. The lords may live in fancy castles, but if the peons revolt - or flee the kingdom - the castle will decay and eventually fall to ruin

Much of this argument rests on interpretation. Interpret all you want, but if you put yourself above what is best for all, you will fall. Karma - SOTA needs heaps of good karma with the masses of players, not just the few, if it is going to succeed.

 

Look I'm a POT owner with multiple big packages. So with that being said, Port is making a game for people to enjoy and play not get rich, WHILE "Keeping the lights on". The have bills and people to pay.

If you sell a CF vendor for $100 and Port decides to sell it for $30 they are making money. Forget the "First Sale" mentality as it is illogical for Port.

That vendor could turn over 9 times and Port never sees a dime of that money, after initial sale.

So getting butt-hurt about a company trying to make money to stay afloat is silly. Just because you OVERPAID and OVERCHARGED for bundle items is not their fault. They just essentially told you what they believe the value of those items to be, not the ridiculous prices you charged or paid for them.

If you are playing this game as an investment, you need to try playing the market sometime, and see how well you fair. The judgement I deem not sound.... (and yes I've played the market and made 100s of thousands)

 

But this price is artificial - it's created by the secondary market. Let's consider Kobold bundles. The cheapest Kobold bundle that includes a CF vendor is $574. That includes a tax free POT village deed and a village house. The home is sold at the in game vendor for 25 COTOs, which comes out to $22 if you use the best cost of COTOs. A taxed village lot deed is $165, and I saw a post in the marketplace selling TF POT deeds for $200, so let's go with that. Now let's consider the other items in the bundle:

$35 4 Magic Mover slots: 5 cost $44 so this is worth $35
$20 Steel Clockwork Armor set
$25 Steel Clockwork Armor Pattern pack
$6 Brown Steam Punk Goggles - based on other hats
$5 Tabletop Kobold Statue
$15 Teletype (I priced this on the cheapest phonograph - it should probably be $30)
$16 Pick two dye 12-packs
$20 1-Story Village stone basement (best guess)
$29 33 COTOs
$5 120 bank slots
$10 Kobold Mask - based on other masks
$10 Kobold Fighter Mask - based on other masks
$10 Kobold Clockwork Wings
$10 Black Clockwork Cat Pet
$20 6 Prosperity tools
$8 9 Obsidian Potions - based on COTOs
$30 Aether Vibration Amplifier Console
$3 Kobold Ornate Steam Radiator
$3 Kobold Red Velvet with Nailheads Bench
$2 Kobold Tiled Square Dining Table
$7 Ornate Iron Wall Light 3-Pack
??? Vendor - We'll come back to this
$10 Kobold Metal Storage Chest - Based on similar items
$20 Ornate Kobold Metal Storage Chest - based on similar items

All of this, excluding the vendor, comes to $319. Adding the house and the deed, we get to $541. So assuming that the exclusives aren't worth more (they are and all the RMT people in this thread know that) and you don't get a discount for the bundle, the vendor should be worth $33. So the vendor, sold separately, is more expensive than it is in the bundle, and $100+ dollars for it is ludicrous.

Which is why no scalper ever sells anything at unreasonable prices, right?

The better proper analogy is buying gold today and then someone sells off a bunch of gold that makes the price crash. It's speculation. EDIT - I should clarify I mean real world gold.

The regular price was inflated by a third party. The original party decided to change their sale model. You getting ripped off by someone in the RMT forum isn't Port's fault or responsibility. It's clearly labeled at the top of the marketplace.

You bought a product without a guaranteed value at a price that was set by what is essentially a speculator. That inflated price was the bubble. When Port split out the vendor into a separate purchase the artificial price collapsed. That's what a bubble bursting is.

 

When I saw the crafting station price, I first boggled at the price being so low, then... yeah there's a full set by each of my two "home base" lots (in NPC towns no less!), which is why I never chased them down to begin with. And any decent POT is going to have some anyhow. But I could actually consider the luxury of dropping some where there weren't any before. Hmm, maybe one of my Etan Glen lots could use a few stations... that might even encourage some settlement!

And yeah, I bought a CF vendor so fast. Really, I think $50 would have been more appropriate to its utility than $40, but oh well. And I say that out of interest for Port getting best value, I think they sold themselves short. (Note that the $39 is the actual price except for ~48 hours a week!) I had been planning to get a second bank access device, it'll have to wait. With 4 accounts, and 4 or 5 weeks in a month, I had already decided to pace out my purchases anyhow. Note that I already had four CF vendors, two from pledges, one from another player for 750k igg, and one from a bundle a couple months ago. And I got TF lots with most of them. The cost until today just meant I acquired them very slowly. And I don't care, I was wanting another one but wouldn't have budgeted another bundle any time soon. I was even contemplating buying a regular 20k igg vendor. And here I am considering dropping ~100 on a set of crafting stations. Ya know what, there's still time left right now... and done.

And look at that, we blew right through $50k, already up to almost $55k, since 11PM or so, and bam!, I pushed it over $55k. The sad part is that I've memorized my credit card info by now, and didn't have to get the card.

FWIW, I didn't do the monthly payment thing. It's so hard to find a $5 item that I've been buying $10-$30 items on each account since store credit went away, stuff that I'd rather have than cotos.

So why did they quit? Was it QoL? Was it about items? Did the game not match their initial idea of what it would be? If so, in what way? You can vote with your feet, but it doesn't do a lot of good if nobody knows why.

To be fair, until very recently they also had the advantage of being able to reprice things without being re-taxed.

I think that doing something about The Bookshelf Problem is on their list. Certainly Scottie would be happy to see something done about all the empty bookshelves in Artifice. One idea I've heard is to make them some kind of container that displays three or four different models of books depending on the quantity inside.

 

The warning signs were there, 500 days before launch when the game went persistent and hardly anyone was playing it. Then launch came and there was barely a blip in terms of population increase. Has declined since then.

I say this to highlight that problems with the game have been plain as day for so long, but it only seems that now - with large 'investors' in the game and people who do a lot of RMT getting angry - that more people are even realising.

 

Good post...
Folks, if your gonna get hell bent about this little trivial change, that "everybody" should have seen coming, you're really gonna pass a pineapple "if" they introduce high dollar gambling tables in the add-on store so all of the "whales" can start building their much anticipated casinos...

Personally... I'm still jockeying for the 1893 World's Fair Ferris Wheel replica for POTs...

I'm outta here.
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