Nudity and Sexual Content

Sex in a basic, major driving force in humans. What's being asked for here by the OP is the act itself, not all the consequences of that act. Toxic Knight detailed several instances where sex drove story, but note that in all those words there was no humpa-humpa, nothing pornographic. What the OP seems to be asking for is pornography.

 

@MuglyWumple.

Wrong. I'm asking for the act AND the consequences. I'm not asking for pornography, and I'm not trying to make a political statement. This disconnect is frustrating. Why are angry parents/bad press still a bad thing, and why is the notion of having adult content in any form so uncomfortable? Can you really be THAT sure of your opinion?

Well I think you SHOULD be able to tie your shoes any way you want. Maybe tailors should have a "add lace" option. That'll be the first time I've ever seen it.

It might look like I'm asking for something ridiculous and trying really hard, but in actuality, the aggressiveness is to create a compromise and is as easy as being the devil's advocate. I don't care about having an animation, but I have to wish for one anyways, because anything less will be even more quickly dismissed than it already is.

 

@Silver Sterling.

Do we really have that kind of mod support? Would you point me to a name or a community who will do this so that the Devs won't have to?


I really find this "Adding maturity breeds immaturity" concept interesting. Comes from personal experience, right? This assumption that everyone on the internet is wicked and gross, and that wicked and gross things will only attract them to the game you only want to play with...who else?

 

No to both - sexual and blood/gore.

 

As I pointed out way back when.. this level of modding from the community is very likely. There's no reason to name names.. it is THIS, the SotA community who make the mods. There won't likely be any support for animations because it's an online game.. but texture replacement mods, body shape mods etc are very likely because..

1: They only affect the player using them. Therefore do not need to be regulated by Portalarium.

2: Only change/override files on the player's machine. They do not affect original gameplay at all because they're visual only.

They can't affect the game ratings or sales because they're not original game content and online interactions between players are not rated by the ESRB. So there's no problem there.

Technically you could mod animations also if we have access to them but only the player(s) who have them would see them and they'd have to replace existing ones making it problematic.. unless the dev's add support for 'new' animations for custom (user defined) emotes or something.. which probably wouldn't be difficult.

In fact you're have a better argument and chances of pushing for more flexible mod support where the emerging mod community for SotA would provide the features you're looking for.. since user content isn't rated and user controlled. Those who want it will get it and those who don't won't. It'd be the user's responsibility.

 

@Bowen Bloodgood.

That'd be a good compromise. Most likely even the most realistic and best course of action.

 

Here's one for the people who think an AO rating would hurt.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/123917-ESRB-Scolds-Wartune-For-Fake-AO-Rating

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-05-10-wartune-advertising-runs-afoul-of-esrb

The idea that the producers of an online game would even LIE about having an AO rating.
What? glamourize? What's that crazy Rasaro talking about? AO games don't sell.

From the first link:
"it's a bright, flashing beacon that's almost purpose-built to attract a particular demographic".

Just WHAT demographic, Mr. Chalk? Teens? Perverts? Old men? Drug-users? Rapists?

I take issue with this categorizing and discrimination with the intent to dismiss. Anybody who even alludes to this idea is basically using the thinking that no one 'normal' appreciates adult content. That only a 'certain', 'particular', 'insignificant', 'special', 'portion', 'number', 'crowd', think that it's okay.

I'm tired of squabbling over taste. It's pointless, and I don't want to force my values on anyone.
However I want that to go both ways. If you think my writing is arrogant, mean, ignorant, or close-minded, just know that I'm only holding a mirror. There is no high/low road. No elevating or lowering. I'm just stuffing the deuce you inadvertently dropped on people right back into your mouth. You've no right to complain about the taste.

 

Here's what MY demographic looks like.

http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/480/480396.jpg

 

<blockquote>@Silver Sterling.

Do we really have that kind of mod support? Would you point me to a name or a community who will do this so that the Devs won?t have to?</blockquote>
Depends of, if we make the $2.25M stetch goal. If not, then not likely, if yes then most likely in the single player game, but not so likely in the MMO part of the game.

<blockquote>I really find this ?Adding maturity breeds immaturity? concept interesting. Comes from personal experience, right? This assumption that everyone on the internet is wicked and gross, and that wicked and gross things will only attract them to the game you only want to play with?who else?</blockquote>
Thats one of the reasons yes. The possibility is, when the game supports sexual content on a large scale, that people who looking for it will be attracted by the game. And i don't want that everywhere is only asked for sex, etc.

On the other side, it might be very possible that a MMO game like the one you linked could advertise with adult rating. Its a f2p game, its not under the ERSB and so everybody can play it how he or she want. SOTA is not a f2p title and is sold. With a adult rating it can't be bought by many peoples. So it could harm the sells and we don't should forget, that many other countries has way harder rules there. In the USA, wasn't it forbidden to show sexual content? But yes, a mature rating should be in. I won't be honest, if i tell, that i don't want to see aswell something more sexy in the game. But it should fit in the gameworld. So nothing artificial like in other games, how told already by the armors. But brothels with scantily dressed dancers, prefered females, woudn't be something i don't want to see. And i don't have anything about strings, bikinis, etc. aswell. Therefore aswell the suggestion about the light clothings for fighting, who show so much, that it is mature, but still not adult and who give no protection at all, but confuse the enemy. I yust think its natural to look on a sexy body with only few clothings from the opposite sex and like it.

@Bowen Bloodgood
Yes, thats acutally aswell what i think. I am playing Skyrim and i have to admit, that i am aswell one of the players, who use cbbe and even the cb++ bodyslide to make at least my companion looking like i want it most. And yes, i installed aswell some clothings for her, who shows a lot more as the conventional one. But thats the nice thing. We can life out our fantasies with such mod tools and the game can still stay mature.
And yes, there are even sex mods. I aswell tested one, but i don't really use it. But if it is well made and for the single player game, then its fine.
And i would be happy to be able to build the best possible companion for me in SOTA aswell, what would aswell need the body morph by the 2.25 stetchgoal aswell. Don't think, that such a more eccentric body structure will be in the basic game. And the question will be, if we could create a companion then for the online game. Possible some way to construct our own companion? This would at least solve the problem by having all the same companion.
For the single player game it shoudn't be a problem with the mod tools. So keep the money flow up to get there. ;D

 

Nudity and Sexuality is a part of live I don't get it why there is always a big discussion about it. Weird thoughts are what makes sex "dirty". And if there was no sex, no one of us would be here in this forum!
And it is funny as it often seems that Violance and brutality (and use of weapons) is no problem while naked bodies and sex are a problem.
As this games should be for adults anyway, children should not play it, or at least not with their parents nearby.

 

Only if we get working penises! I will roll a male and run around naked chasing you all with my character's working penis threatening to be the first part of me that touches you.

 

This too is my opinion.

 

Yes. It's a big driver for a great deal of what we do - on a personal level. Everything else is pr0n.

It does not tell an interesting story and it does not engage.

It doesn't fit any purpose in CRPGs other than titillation. The fumbling cinematic, over-dramatised, bonking sessions in DA/Witcher/ME were nothing other than creepy. I understand that there's a solid core of hormone-addled mouth-breathers out there gagging for it, but that does *not* mean it makes for great content.

That would be a 'meh' from me.

 

Sex and nudity is a more natural a part of the world than an economy and crafting and killing, and about the same as eating, sleeping and socializing. I am all for it being included, but for the those who don't want it, I am sure there could be a "parental filter" that we could turn on or off. They could also make any lovemaking take place only in personal places, such as your own house. The only reason SotA should not include sex in the game is because of the added cost of creating animations and systems to regulate it. Nudity though does not cost them to add, as most basic models created by artists doesn't have clothes to begin with anyway. You could have a minimum clothes requirement in the online game in public places to hinder someone "being scarred for life when they see how a human actually looks under their clothes, Oh-noes!".

I don't see it happening though, as many people seem to have a really unhealthy view of sexuality as something dirty and wrong. When I see the strong opposition to the idea of simple nudity in the game, I feel sad.
I am not a teenager, and I do like eroticism and even pornography and feel that nudity hurts noone. Calling people like me "hormone-addled mouth breathers" is not very nice.

 

I don't mind mature content in games if done well and it is appropriate to the story.

But Richard Garriott said recently that SotA would be a "family game" and that the base models would have underwear.

I can't imagine there would be much stopping two players in game from roleplaying a sexual encounter via text if that is what they really want, but you will not be able to select genital size in character creator, nor do I think it would add value to the game.

 

Ah yes, slaughtering people is SOOOO family orientated

edit no that was to sarcastic. There is no way I would let my children play this game, not because there might be nudity, not even because there will be killing. I wouldn't let them play because there is no way I would want them exposed to some of the PEOPLE around here. People who call for a game where you can skin a person you kill and cut up all there belongings and force them to watch. That is FAR more damaging to a child than a naked human body would ever be and its far more damaging than someone swearing

 

In the Western definition, sadly this is the case.

We're fine with violence in media but go nuts over a nipple. I'm personally of the opinion that we make too much of a fuss over nudity. We all have bodies and as a society we should be far more accepting of the human form. I have a Dali hanging up in my house with nudity in the painting, and I don't believe it is inappropriate even with kids in the house because it is art. That being said, I don't let my seven year old watch movies/shows with sex and I don't want sex in a game with kids playing it.

 

I tried to change that because I thought the comment as it stood was unhelpful however I agree with you. Its funny, the 4 and 5 year olds who lived across the street knew about sex at 4 and 5 because we had chickens and when they came over they saw the chickens mating. That didn't scar them for life but I bet if they saw someone's head graphically blown apart that would have done FAR more damage to them.

 

Why did you resurrect this thread? We know it's not going to happen in this game.

Other than that, I can't seem to think of any remarks that wouldn't be considered trolling against proponents of this topic because it is that ridiculous of a topic.

I hope they close this thread because there is no value to this debate at all.

 

Oh god, my sides.